I don't like domestic...

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

then whats with the Jag?

Give him a break, he did an L98 Swap. That's GM at heart.

[DGthe3]

Oh I don't care one way or the other. If he wants to drive an old Caprice with a Jaguar engine thats fine with me. But its more about the claim that all his family owns is GM, when he drives a Jag.

[zebra]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Oh I don't care one way or the other. If he wants to drive an old Caprice with a Jaguar engine thats fine with me. But its more about the claim that all his family owns is GM, when he drives a Jag.

so am i screwed for almost buying a 240sx to do an LS2 swap?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by zebra

so am i screwed for almost buying a 240sx to do an LS2 swap?

But seriously, I get into arguments with people like this all the time. I'll walk over a computer, bring up pictures of cars like the Malibu, CTS, G8, Camaro, Corvette, and they usually have nothing left to say. If they try bringing up reliability, there's plenty more evidence out there to support domestic quality and failing import quality. Anyone who takes it farther than this usually is nothing more than an import fanboy who can't stand to see GM, Ford, and Chrysler beat Japan. Usually they'll end up accusing ME of being a domestic fanboy, which obviously isn't true since I criticize GM for their mistakes, just as I criticize the imports for their mistakes.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Oh I don't care one way or the other. If he wants to drive an old Caprice with a Jaguar engine thats fine with me. But its more about the claim that all his family owns is GM, when he drives a Jag.

You are correct... I overlooked the Jag. Biggest reason being it hasn't run in 2 years and is up on blocks right now. Its running a built aluminum headed l98 with a turbo 350 trans. The reason its not on the road is the rear brake system is shot (inboard brakes.. $1500 job) along with the rear end. I own a 91 s10, a 93 camaro v6, and a 2004 silverado. My father owns a 2008 2500 crew cab z71 long bed thats fully loaded.

Also the person in the story is not my friend, only someone a friend of mine brought by so flame away.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Lex

You are correct... I overlooked the Jag. Biggest reason being it hasn't run in 2 years and is up on blocks right now. Its running a built aluminum headed l98 with a turbo 350 trans. The reason its not on the road is the rear brake system is shot (inboard brakes.. $1500 job) along with the rear end. I own a 91 s10, a 93 camaro v6, and a 2004 silverado. My father owns a 2008 2500 crew cab z71 long bed thats fully loaded.

Also the person in the story is not my friend, only someone a friend of mine brought by so flame away.

Consider yourself flamed.

[stovt001]

It is a matter of experiences interpreted to fit expectations. People have been told all their lives that domestics are unreliable. They could own a foreign and domestic car, and both could have the exact same problem at the same time, mileage, etc (say a dead alternator at 100,000 miles). Because their expectations are that foreign cars are bullet proof and domestic cars are shoddy, the dead alternator on the foreign car is just a sign of the car getting older, maybe poor maintenance, or just plain weird bad luck. The bad alternator on the domestic car, on the other hand, is clearly a sign of poor quality. People DO NOT LIKE and in fact will avoid at all costs having their pre-conceived notions challenged. Instead, they will take reality and alter it in their minds to confirm their views.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by stovt001

It is a matter of experiences interpreted to fit expectations. People have been told all their lives that domestics are unreliable. They could own a foreign and domestic car, and both could have the exact same problem at the same time, mileage, etc (say a dead alternator at 100,000 miles). Because their expectations are that foreign cars are bullet proof and domestic cars are shoddy, the dead alternator on the foreign car is just a sign of the car getting older, maybe poor maintenance, or just plain weird bad luck. The bad alternator on the domestic car, on the other hand, is clearly a sign of poor quality. People DO NOT LIKE and in fact will avoid at all costs having their pre-conceived notions challenged. Instead, they will take reality and alter it in their minds to confirm their views.

. Unfortunately, perception is more important than reality

[AngryAmish]

So, what does this guy with his scary intellect drive? I'd like to know, mainly because I want to pour some of the green kool-aid he is drinking into my gastank. Thats bound to be some strong stuff.

[kanakattack]

I have owned both domestic and foreign cars and have been fortunate not to have had any major problems with any of them and am looking forward to receiving my new camaro. I did pick up a copy of the latest consumer report from the news stand and although I support the American based car companies the reliability issues have to be addressed. In the "Newly Recommended category" - 47 cars were named, only 4 were domestic (3 if you consider that the Pontiac Vibe is a Toyota Matix with little changes). Of the 24 that were in the "Not Recommended category" only 8 were foreign made. Perception or not if the big 3 is going to get more public confidence they have to address these issues. I know that the consumer report is not what many auto enthusiasts would consider a definitive source for autos, this is one of the major references to the majority of people who are shopping for a good reliable car.

[stovt001]

Until recently consumer reports recommended Toyotas for having above average reliability without even testing or surveying them. Yes, sadly many Americans reference CR, but it in no way is accurate or unbiased. It is essentially Toyota and Honda's PR branch.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by kanakattack

I know that the consumer report is not what many auto enthusiasts would consider a definitive source for autos, this is one of the major references to the majority of people who are shopping for a good reliable car.

That right there...is the biggest problem bar NONE: biased institutions that reflect poorly on even the best domestic cars and trucks.

Didn't consumer reports recently decide to actually TEST new Toyota's before recommending them? I wouldn't recommend that publication to anybody for anything other than toilet-paper.

[camaro5]

Deja-vue.

Not the dreaded cr battle.

I'm a cr subscriber. They send me a paper to fill out re all kinds of products.

I tell them..Yes, my new Dell did need service. Yes, it was done well.

And so on, and so on.

They do look at say a 2007 blank car, and may say, the 2007 was good, so the 2008 should be too. That's the ONLY mistake they made.

The reliability survey is simple facts reported by OWNERS.

About cars, about washing machines, etc, etc.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by kanakattack

I have owned both domestic and foreign cars and have been fortunate not to have had any major problems with any of them and am looking forward to receiving my new camaro. I did pick up a copy of the latest consumer report from the news stand and although I support the American based car companies the reliability issues have to be addressed. In the "Newly Recommended category" - 47 cars were named, only 4 were domestic (3 if you consider that the Pontiac Vibe is a Toyota Matix with little changes). Of the 24 that were in the "Not Recommended category" only 8 were foreign made. Perception or not if the big 3 is going to get more public confidence they have to address these issues. I know that the consumer report is not what many auto enthusiasts would consider a definitive source for autos, this is one of the major references to the majority of people who are shopping for a good reliable car.

Or maybe Consumer Reports should quit sucking up to the import companies. Biggest load of hogwash I have seen in my life. They seem to have missed the memo that said that the Malibu was JD Power and Associates Best Midsize Sedan in Initial Quality...the camry and accord weren't even on the list.