Top Speed of SS?

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by MikeSVX

The autobahn only has small sections that don't have posted speed limits, and they will put up speed limits on even those sections when conditions warrant it. they have digital signs that you need to watch. they will tell you what the limits are.

That's not true at all. Not even close.

"The" Autobahn is actually the same as "The" US Interstate highway system here. That is, virtually ALL the big highways in Germany are Autobahns. Most of them have long unlimited speed sections between population centers. Just like in the US, as you get into more congested areas, the max allowable speed is decreased. But you'll have no problems finding long (50km+) sections of unlimited speed.

I'm speaking from personal experience in 2008, when we did Euro Delivery of our BMW 335i. Picked up in Munich, drove south to HohenSchwangau on 95 (autobahn), the around in the foothills of the Alps on backroads. From there, north on 7 to Ulm (autobahn) then across to Stuttgart, and from there took 52 over to 5 S (autobahn). Spent the night in the black forest, then drove into France's Burgundy region for a winery tour and some excellent food; spent the night again. Drove to Paris, dropped off the car and spend the weekend touring Paris.

[C377]

Originally Posted by wokkie

Hi
I do have a Camaro 2SS/RS and I like the car (who doesn't hahaha)!
I am currently living in the US but will move to Europe within a year (shit happens). Ofcourse I will take the car with me along with the other two cars I have (Carrera S '08 and M3 08').
The question I have is if somebody knows where I can remove the speedlimiter and what the topspeed will be without the limiter.
If I will cruise the Autobahn even a VW Golf will run 250 km/h (155 mph) easily and I don't think I will like that .
Hope to hear from you.

You can get warranty repair in Munich for the camaro.(just google camaro munich and you will see). As far as driving too fast, I do not think it is an issue. I mean some post are worrying me. In one post they said that the V6 mustang smokes the camaro, in this post people are saying do not go too fast cause the car was not made to go fast????????? Do not talk the camaro down!!!!!!!!

6.2L with 420 HP come on!!!!!!!! Just test it, take it up to full speed and see how the car reacts. The front waffer grill may be an issue for aerodynamics after 120MPH, but it will help the HPs, nevertheless, even because of the big front drag surface, I think 420HP could still bring her up up to 165-170 MPH.

I think you need to get a front splitter for increased downforce, and a bigger rear spoiler. The back diffusor also helps, but you will still need some down force in the back to balance the 6.2l.

The issue is not to get it to 160 or 180 though. But that once you are there, the car is still drivable. I have driven a 3, 5, 7 series, audis and VWs, and they are all ok at 150-160MPH. One other think to make sure is that the brakes can slow you down quick enough, cause you may be going 160MPH, but you have to be careful for the traffic trying to overtake at 70MPH on the left lane......

Nevertheless, you have the M3, have fun with that on the Autobahn, and use the Camaro to pick up chicks

[Erik@Torq]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

That's not true at all. Not even close.

"The" Autobahn is actually the same as "The" US Interstate highway system here. That is, virtually ALL the big highways in Germany are Autobahns. Most of them have long unlimited speed sections between population centers. Just like in the US, as you get into more congested areas, the max allowable speed is decreased. But you'll have no problems finding long (50km+) sections of unlimited speed.

OK, first things first! AUTOBAHN is only the German word for HIGHWAY. It doesn't automatically mean it's free speed or some special kind of road where you can go crazy for miles and miles! All highways in Germany are called Autobahn.

Only 10-12% of the German Highway system is still free speed, and as someone mentioned they have digital signs that post recommended speeds during certain weather and traffic situations.

The majority of times most highways are full of traffic, and usually have a cruising speed of about 90-120mph. Every now and then you can get the car up to 150 but then there will be traffic or something ahead. At nights you have miles and miles of truckers on the road which don't help.

The best time is on a Sunday early morning, all semi's are forbidden on the highway systems on Sundays and traffic is pretty low.

We drove from the Nurburgring to Denmark, FLAT OUT at 165mph for 3 hours straight only stopping for gas. I was driving my wife's 07 Audi RS4, and we had 3 other cars following us. Absolutely amazing. The Germans are the most disciplined drivers in the world, period.

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

Please don't be that other moron who gets killed and kills some random person on the Autobahn because their driving too fast with a car that's not meant to be going that fast.

Who says the Camaro isn't built for speeds like that? I have had mine up to 165 many times on the standing mile, and other events and topped out so far at 178mph and she was as stable as any other car. Long wheel base, wide track, decent aerodynamics etc (mine has Pfadt suspension on it though).


I am bringing my Camaro over to Germany in march for my annual race at The Nurburgring, and will then be driving it to Sweden to the new owner. Can't wait!


Footnote: I have about 80K miles behind me of driving through Europe in all types of cars, trucks etc etc. I have an English drivers license, a German, an Italian and a Swedish.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by wokkie

Hi
I do have a Camaro 2SS/RS and I like the car (who doesn't hahaha)!
I am currently living in the US but will move to Europe within a year (shit happens). Ofcourse I will take the car with me along with the other two cars I have (Carrera S '08 and M3 08').
The question I have is if somebody knows where I can remove the speedlimiter and what the topspeed will be without the limiter.
If I will cruise the Autobahn even a VW Golf will run 250 km/h (155 mph) easily and I don't think I will like that .
Hope to hear from you.

numerous threads on this subject (merging several into this thread right now). So, read everything here and you should have your answer

[Gunmetal]

spec says 155

[Erik@Torq]

Originally Posted by Gunmetal

spec says 155

With the limiter, that and the torque management were the two first things we removed when tuning my car

I had my stock 05 GTO up to about 178mph on the GPS, the Camaro should be right around there with no limiter

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Gunmetal

spec says 155

generally this thread is about top speed without the 155 mph limiter

[Erik@Torq]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

Too many unknowns. What if someone cuts in front of you. What if you blow a tire. High speeds like that are unsafe and stupid. Where do you have to be that you have to drive 150mph +?

In a controlled environment they are extremely fun and thrilling. The German roads are made for these types of speeds, the German drivers are extremely disciplined and they don't just "cut out" in front of people. They actually use their flashers, high beams etc to inform the surrounding vehicles what they are doing, or planning on doing.

Flat tires rarely happen because we learn to check our tire pressures every time you fill up gas, if you have less then 5mm of tread on the tire by law you have to buy new ones, and also the roads are very well maintained with little to no debris. And this goes for all of Europe.

High speeds like that are not unsafe and stupid with the right equipment and at the right place, that's like saying it's stupid and unsafe to fly because you are going 800mph. European cars andmost modern other cars are actually made for that speed as much as a 747 is made for it's cruising speed.

I usually don't have to be anywhere to have to drive at 150mph, but as I have tattooed on my back "The Journey Is The Reward"

Edit: I agree that in most other places around the world speeds like that are stupid, illegal and unsafe. The above text is regarding central Europe only!

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by Erik@Torq

In a controlled environment they are extremely fun and thrilling. The German roads are made for these types of speeds, the German drivers are extremely disciplined and they don't just "cut out" in front of people. They actually use their flashers, high beams etc to inform the surrounding vehicles what they are doing, or planning on doing.

Flat tires rarely happen because we learn to check our tire pressures every time you fill up gas, if you have less then 5mm och tread on the tire by law you have to buy new ones, and also the roads are very well maintained with little to no debris. And this goes for all of Europe.

High speeds like that are not unsafe and stupid with the right equipment and at the right place, that's like saying it's stupid and unsafe to fly because you are going 800mph. European cars andmost modern other cars are actually made for that speed as much as a 747 is made for it's cruising speed.

I usually don't have to be anywhere to have to drive at 150mph, but as I have tattooed on my back "The Journey Is The Reward"

Edit: I agree that in most other places around the world speeds like that are stupid, illegal and unsafe. The above text is regarding central Europe only!

Just a note on blowouts, blowouts seem more common than they really need to or should be. In 12 years of driving and over 14 cars of various dubious condition I have had (1) flat tire/ road debris related incident ever that you can't even call a blowout (I ran over a big screw which made a lot of noise and flattened my tire within a block).

The reality is unless you don't maintain your car and pay attention to your tires, you will never have a blowout. The reason why blowouts are so common can easily be shown by walking through the huge parking lot at my job, or at the mall, or the park. Look at peoples tires. I do this often, guaranteed you will see multiple cars with steel belts showing, less than 3 mm of tread showing, etc. Tires that are completely unsafe for the road. Try it some day it is really astonishing.

IMO this is as bad as running your car with no oil. Yeah it works, it may even work for a while but its only a matter of time before it screws up catastrophically. Unfortunately the general public doesn't see it that way as for all intents and purposes, bald tires generally work the same at low or even highway speeds as non bald ones... Its in that last moment where you need to stop short, or its raining, or the last steel belt finally gives up the ghost that they don't work the same.

The "what if" scenario of what if I have a blowout at high speed should be of no concern. If your tires aren't shit, you will not have a blowout.

[Erik@Torq]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Just a note on blowouts, blowouts seem more common than they really need to or should be. In 12 years of driving and over 14 cars of various dubious condition I have had (1) flat tire/ road debris related incident ever that you can't even call a blowout (I ran over a big screw which made a lot of noise and flattened my tire within a block).

The reality is unless you don't maintain your car and pay attention to your tires, you will never have a blowout. The reason why blowouts are so common can easily be shown by walking through the huge parking lot at my job, or at the mall, or the park. Look at peoples tires. I do this often, guaranteed you will see multiple cars with steel belts showing, less than 3 mm of tread showing, etc. Tires that are completely unsafe for the road. Try it some day it is really astonishing.

IMO this is as bad as running your car with no oil. Yeah it works, it may even work for a while but its only a matter of time before it screws up catastrophically. Unfortunately the general public doesn't see it that way as for all intents and purposes, bald tires generally work the same at low or even highway speeds as non bald ones... Its in that last moment where you need to stop short, or its raining, or the last steel belt finally gives up the ghost that they don't work the same.

The "what if" scenario of what if I have a blowout at high speed should be of no concern. If your tires aren't shit, you will not have a blowout.

Same here! I drive on average 60K miles a year, and have done that for the past 10 years since I got my License. Not ONCE have I had a blow-out, not one single time. Just last week I did get two screws in my frickin tires but no air let out.

Cars rarely brake down, and tires rarely blow out if maintained properly.

I am not surprised you see so many broken down cars, cars with flat tires etc on the roads here in Florida. With no annual inspection and somebody letting you know when to change a part/tire BEFORE it breaks its bound to happen.


So anyways, a properly maintained modern car is perfectly capable at traveling at high speeds is what I'm trying to get at

[C377]

Originally Posted by Erik@Torq

In a controlled environment they are extremely fun and thrilling. The German roads are made for these types of speeds, the German drivers are extremely disciplined and they don't just "cut out" in front of people. They actually use their flashers, high beams etc to inform the surrounding vehicles what they are doing, or planning on doing.

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I hate to disagree with you on this. If you use they high beams on the highway you will get a fine in Germany. It is people that do not know coming from other countries to Germany that think that way.

I also disagree about the cutting you off part. They will cut you off. It happens to me all the time. I am driving 140- 150mph and some lunatic in a fiat panda wants to overtake a truck going 60mph....

I believe it is not safe for people that have never experienced high speeds. YOu also have turns in the highway, and you really need to be careful in the turns. BMWs have a limiter, but the limiter can be removed if you take special classes at their site. GM could do this, but I do not see the need, since the speed limits in the USA top at 75MPH.

Just let's settle for a number a let's move on: I say 177.6.... unless someone proves me wrong with a video...

[Erik@Torq]

Originally Posted by C377

I hate to disagree with you on this. If you use they high beams on the highway you will get a fine in Germany. It is people that do not know coming from other countries to Germany that think that way.

Your are right actually, my mistake! It used to be legal to let people know that you are coming, and as you say a lot of people still do it. My sister lives in Luxemburg and she is on me everytime I'm there about that.

Originally Posted by C377

I also disagree about the cutting you off part. They will cut you off. It happens to me all the time. I am driving 140- 150mph and some lunatic in a fiat panda wants to overtake a truck going 60mph....

Well yes and no, typically it's also people from other countries who do that (mainly Italy since they all think they are Schumacher... )

But another thing they typically do is leave there left indicator know that they are in passing mode!

Originally Posted by C377

I believe it is not safe for people that have never experienced high speeds. YOu also have turns in the highway, and you really need to be careful in the turns. BMWs have a limiter, but the limiter can be removed if you take special classes at their site. GM could do this, but I do not see the need, since the speed limits in the USA top at 75MPH.

Agreed, that's why all German manufacturers (except Porsche) limit there cars to 150, it was decided together with the government many years ago so they would still keep certain speed free zones.

Originally Posted by C377

Just let's settle for a number a let's move on: I say 177.6.... unless someone proves me wrong with a video...

Since mine isn't stock anymore I can't really give an accurate number since mine has already reached 178, but that's with 500whp, not the 369whp as it had stock!

I am going to do the Mile Marker Run again January 3rd, we'll see how it goes this time. Hoping for another 1-3mph but we will see!

Video will come

[Diabel1969]

Originally Posted by Kahlis

I too have a 2nd gen,... modded of course, and I've seen at least 150. The speedo reads 130, but I had it almost back around to zero. Like many of you have said, at those speeds the speedo isn't all together accurate, so who really knows.

No offense meant, but do you guys even know what it takes to go 150 MPH?
I KNOW for a fact that i've been ~150mph in my 1978 malibu, but that's with a WELL built engine spinning at 7200 rpm in 4th gear with 3.73 final gear ratio, and 26 inch tall tires. I did that about 10 years ago, with no reason to, just out for a drive and started screwing around. The result was 3 counties of people looking for that car, blowing the passenger header off my engine, frying the exaust valves in that head, towing it home on a trailer under a cover.. wanna talk about a scary ride?? that car, and your second gen were never built for those speeds... car was all over the road! at the same time, a friend of mine also had a 2nd gen camaro, we put a VERY strong 406 small block in, with a custom crower solid cam, he had 26 inch tires, 3.42 final gear ratio 4 speed car, and one night we cranked it to 7800 in 4th gear, which was BEYOND stupid.. the next day we pulled the engine out of the car, put a mild 350 back in and sold it, and the engine seperately... That night was insane, and I can't even describe the sensations going through my body and mind. My problem is I love speed, but I limit myself these days to the drag track. I'm not sure what the new camaro ss is limited to, but I had it going 142, or 147 on the thruway this past august in syracuse area. I was actually cruising minding my own business talking with my fiance when I realized I was going 85 (car does not feel as though it's going that fast), so I set the cruise to 75, and just hung out in the slow lane until.. and I won't got into it here as alot of forum's don't like talk of "street racing", but I brought it up to speed after 4 cut off's from somebody playing with me, and I didn't catch the last digit of speed as I was too busy watching the road. I reset the cruise, had a smoke and just got to the state fair where I was heading in the first place.. The funny thing is it seemed to me, the faster the car went, the lower it seemed to get. and it was very stable at speed.

Here, use this to figure out REALLY how fast you were going. This is a slide rule calculator that we had in our old shop, it's a calculation used by nascar, and i've found it to be pretty accurate.


Mph = rpm x tire diameter / Gear ratio x 336

[camarossrs2150]

Originally Posted by Kelton00912

So does anyone know about how the top speed on the new camaro will be?? i know it says like 175 on the dash... will it do all of that??

question is how fast has everybody got there camaros up to .i know its been asked before but lets add it to this one .138 for me