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DarkneSS · 05-09-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I'm wondering how the current 6s will turn out in the long run as far as longevity with boost. The 4.0l in the last v6 mustang was a dog, but toss some boost at it and it could go. IIRC there were a few guys running 10s on stock longblocks with bolt on turbo kits.

Well Im personally going to try and find out. I should be turbo by this time next year + many supporting mods. By then I can afford a beater as well if something blows.

Im already running 14.1 bone stock. With bolt ons + tires and gears I think I can hit low 13s. Add in much more power from a turbo and I think I could see low 12s.

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Originally Posted by thePill

There should be very potent V6 options offered in the next generation pony cars. There are the naturally aspirated V6's from both camps which in themselves are very efficient and produce adequate levels of horsepower and torque. There are bound to be turbo or twin turbo variants of the current engines or perhaps other turbo ready engines available. I'm not 100% sure of what GM has to offer in the turbo V6 department but I seem to remember the 425hp Jay Leno Twin Turbo 3.6 had no problem making the power. It used a pair of Turbonetics T-3 turbochargers and contrary to what people might think, that Jay Leno Camaro was 100% built by GM and NOT Jay Leno. As always, Ford has a middle weight contender that will give the TT 3.6 a run for its money codenamed "Twinforce" prior to the "Ecoboost" name plate. Since all these engine offerings are global (or will be anyway) it very well may be an engine option extravaganza come the next generation because the cost of engine R&D and production will be mitigated by entire fleet sales.

Im expecting both the next gen Camaro and Mustang to be turbo charged. Im really not sure which will be faster but I think they are going to be closer than the current gens. Average V6 Camaro only runs mid 14s, my 14.1 is a bit of a rarity for a stock car, while V6 stangs arent having too much trouble getting in 13s stock.

I expect the next gens will both run low 13s with the V8 models running as low as 12.0.

thePill · 05-09-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Im expecting both the next gen Camaro and Mustang to be turbo charged. Im really not sure which will be faster but I think they are going to be closer than the current gens. Average V6 Camaro only runs mid 14s, my 14.1 is a bit of a rarity for a stock car, while V6 stangs arent having too much trouble getting in 13s stock.

I expect the next gens will both run low 13s with the V8 models running as low as 12.0.

Some of that will be from the weight reduction in the next generation pony cars as well. I imagine that the naturally aspired V8s will be pushing 440-460hp in a 3400lb coupe where the top of the line TT V6's will hover around 390-420hp from an equally heavy 3400lb coupe (turbo kit weight). However, the power curve of the V8's can not be replicated, this is where the big V8 advantage will come from. Just as the new V6 pony cars produce the same peak power as the former V8's, the power curve of those old V8's are nice and flat. It would surprise me if the DI 5.0 Mustang III produces at least a 12.4 quarter mile and still get a good 26-28 mpg highway. The TT V6's will likely be a special edition car (at first) but pull a little more MPG's than the V8...

Whatever happens, its going to be a very exciting time...

blizzpat · 05-09-2011, 12:41 PM

GM needs to make a factory spray v8.

ViperTomcat · 05-09-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blizzpat

GM needs to make a factory spray v8.

Seriously? A factory engine that requires the buyer to maintain a nitrous system and buy spray refills?

Turbo and supercharging is less costly in the long run, and safer.

esperman · 05-09-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I just wonder how long Ford, Chevy and Mopar will be able to keep Mustang, Camaro and Challenger equipped with high HP V8s with increased MPG standards and skyrocketing fuel prices.

they will. Cost of entry will be higher than current prices.

BigDan · 05-09-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Seriously? A factory engine that requires the buyer to maintain a nitrous system and buy spray refills?

Its been done. 04 Saleen Focus N20

http://www.modified.com/roadtests/05...est/index.html

ViperTomcat · 05-09-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDan

Its been done. 04 Saleen Focus N20

http://www.modified.com/roadtests/05...est/index.html

I meant more so a main line production, not aftermarket.

blizzpat · 05-09-2011, 05:58 PM

Why does everyone think spray is so dangerous?

A good spray setup is just as reliable as a N/A engine. IMO F/I is what is more dangerous because it constantly strains the motor.

GQ4Life · 05-09-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blizzpat

Why does everyone think spray is so dangerous?

A good spray setup is just as reliable as a N/A engine. IMO F/I is what is more dangerous because it constantly strains the motor.

Well Ive seen a couple fail and blow up intake manifolds, hoods, bempers..

to see just doesn't seem like available power.. You have to open bottle. If pressure low you dont get the full shot..

blizzpat · 05-09-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ4Life

Well Ive seen a couple fail and blow up intake manifolds, hoods, bempers..

to see just doesn't seem like available power.. You have to open bottle. If pressure low you dont get the full shot..

It's not very complicated though and a safe build works. I mean as long as you're not running 2 200 shots through 1 nozzle into your intake or something like that, and with a safe tune you should be golden....

GQ4Life · 05-09-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blizzpat

It's not very complicated though and a safe build works. I mean as long as you're not running 2 200 shots through 1 nozzle into your intake or something like that, and with a safe tune you should be golden....

Well I didnt get details on one but other one failed because the guys selinod failed.. Said selinod was leaking nitrous into intake.. though I am sure if you buy new everything they are much safer.

blizzpat · 05-09-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ4Life

Well I didnt get details on one but other one failed because the guys selinod failed.. Said selinod was leaking nitrous into intake.. though I am sure if you buy new everything they are much safer.

I once ever heard of 1 spray build fail and it was on a s197 (2008 mustang gt). The guy was running lean and I can't seem to remember 100% but if I am correct he blew is nozzles off and it got into his engine and destroyed the whole thing... I was shocked because I had never heard of that being possible (well anything is possible, but unlikely) and he vowed never to use spray again..

But... Using camaro5 as an example, I've seen a lot more threads of FI builds going bad than spray (there are more f/i builds though so my whole argument can be thrown out the window).

GQ4Life · 05-09-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blizzpat

I once ever heard of 1 spray build fail and it was on a s197 (2008 mustang gt). The guy was running lean and I can't seem to remember 100% but if I am correct he blew is nozzles off and it got into his engine and destroyed the whole thing... I was shocked because I had never heard of that being possible (well anything is possible, but unlikely) and he vowed never to use spray again..

But... Using camaro5 as an example, I've seen a lot more threads of FI builds going bad than spray (there are more f/i builds though so my whole argument can be thrown out the window).

Well if he was running lean he was bond to destroy the engine.. you have to run a lil rich with nitrous
"You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake!" LoL

Well there are when people push the limits the car can handle so much.. plus if they dont have a good tune.. though I havent heard too many going bad.. one was a meth kit not spraying cuzing car to go lean and driver didnt notice..

blizzpat · 05-09-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ4Life

Well if he was running lean he was bond to destroy the engine.. you have to run a lil rich with nitrous
"You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake!" LoL

Well there are when people push the limits the car can handle so much.. plus if they dont have a good tune.. though I havent heard too many going bad.. one was a meth kit not spraying cuzing car to go lean and driver didnt notice..

Lol. Hey spray's the cheapest way to go fast for a reason haha. If you don't know what you're doing it's going to be the most expensive though!

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