Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[wbt]

Originally Posted by JUISSD

Nah it was good that night. Pass was last winter and I believe the DA was around -200. A lot better than my stock pass in the summer when it was +2000.

OK...so that makes up the difference you speak of with the car that ran a 12.4. DA that evening was ~1,500' above SL. 1,700' difference in DA would be roughly .4 tenths in the 1/4 mile. This is an estimate. Would need the exact run information for both cars on each pass to nail it down exactly.

.4 tenths in the quarter is a decent gap at ~112MPH. Several car lengths.

BTW - I would kill for -200 DA with great track prep. That is the stuff hero runs are made from.

[JUISSD]

A 12.4 with a cammed auto SS on DR's sucks, regardless of the weather.

The negative DA days at HRP (I refuse to call it Royal Purple) are few and far between. It's not like Atco, Englishtown, and MIR where the real hero runs are made.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by JUISSD

A 12.4 with a cammed auto SS on DR's sucks, regardless of the weather.

The negative DA days at HRP (I refuse to call it Royal Purple) are few and far between. It's not like Atco, Englishtown, and MIR where the real hero runs are made.

You can understand why I am underwhelmed. 2011 Mustang GT ran 1 sec. quicker with fewer mods. Imagine if it ran in -200 DA? If's and but's but you get the idea.



I ran at Temple Academy Dragway a few weeks ago. 2,700' DA and terrible track conditions. 11.75@117. Fastest 5th gen there was 12.52 with a supercharger. We didn't run video that evening.

I can only speak from what we observe at the same track/day for comparison.

BTW - I think HRP has a 2 month window where air is really good for hero runs. I agree the NE tracks boast some of the best conditions but they can't run in the Winter like you and I can.

[JUISSD]

Originally Posted by wbt

You can understand why I am underwhelmed. 2011 Mustang GT ran 1 sec. quicker with fewer mods. Imagine if it ran in -200 DA? If's and but's but you get the idea.



I ran at Temple Academy Dragway a few weeks ago. 2,700' DA and terrible track conditions. 11.75@117. Fastest 5th gen there was 12.52 with a supercharger. We didn't run video that evening.

I can only speak from what we observe at the same track/day for comparison.

BTW - I think HRP has a 2 month window where air is really good for hero runs. I agree the NE tracks boast some of the best conditions but they can't run in the Winter like you and I can.

I would be underwhelmed too if I saw that time from a cammed SS. Or a supercharged SS. Pretty sad. I will put those times squarely on the driver and/or tuner though. Power is power. The 5.0 and LS3 make very similar power numbers stock and mod for mod. The Mustang is lighter and more aggressively geared so it will be faster, but it won't make THAT much of a difference. Faster though, yes. It'll be interesting to see what kind of times I pull when I get my car back.

Nice times! What are your mods?

Yes late November through February are good times for HRP. Although trying to go on Friday night when the conditions are good is an absolute nightmare. I'm lucky to get 2 passes in. Those tracks in the NE can't run in the dead of winter but they routinely see -1000 to -2000 DA's before the tracks close. Hell even their late spring and summer DA's rival our best in the winter.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by JUISSD

Nice times! What are your mods?

Thanks! Info about my car:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=161496&page=5

[JUISSD]

Originally Posted by wbt

Thanks! Info about my car:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=161496&page=5

Nice. Stalled auto?

[Good2go]

If you look at the "official 1/4 mile" list for Camaro's with cams, there are some of'em going faster than 12.4, they probably know how to launch.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by wbt

Tell you what. I have been to the track many times. Best time I have seen a 5th gen run was a 12.4. Full exhaust, LSx intake, cam, DR's, CAI, tune. Same track same evening, 2011 Mustang GT running 11.4 with a CAI, tune, O/R exhaust, gears and converter.

Everytime I have been to the strip, the rare occasion a 5th gen shows up and runs, it is underwhelming. I want to see some run great times. It would be refreshing.

Point of this is stop magazine racing. Take your car to the track and run it. Bring something to the table to discuss. We all know that magazines will exaggerate results and lack credibility. If you want to believe what they say then that is your prerogative but be aware that those of us who back what we say up with real world results consider that drivel to be in the same category as the land of unicorns, fairies and rainbows.

BTW - have you seen this video? It doesn't hold much value for me but if you want to compare ligers and leprechauns....

I agree on the I never see 5th gens at the track. Also when I do most are underwhelming and don`t run like you expect them too. Not sure what it is because everyone knows the LSX motor is a great engine and makes great power. I mean it was shellacking the 4.6 stang for many years na vs na. This new 5.0 is a whole new animal and seems to respond even better to mods, which is suprising considering how well LSx motors respond to mods.

I think the problem is 3 fold, weight, much heavier car, I know of very few drag race type guys who have bought one, so inexperienced drivers, especially the mn6 cars, if auto w/ out a good tune it could be on the low octane table, and the fact the platform is relatively new compared to the mustang setup. Most guys are getting terrible 60 foots for some reason.

With my L99 I ran 12.22@113.29 w/ nothing more than ARH headers, ADM CAI and a good tune. Thats it, no other mods period, down to the stock rubber and air pressure. Now being a drag race background guy, I ran a 1/4 tank of gas, flashed the stock converter, and ran in november for a great DA. Put down a 1.83 60 foot that day w/ that setup. I also did not get a sunroof on the car, no 21 or 22 inch rims, or ground effects to keep the weight down. Still a piggy, but anyways every little bit helps. Now in the middle of the summer that setup would have probably went 12.4-12.5 in my area. W/ a converter, DR`s and gears, I would expect at least a .6-.8 improvement, my Trans am gained 7 tenths w/ just the converter, already had the drag radials. so 12.2-.8=11.4 so prety competitive vs the GT shown, however that would be in perfect conditions and assuming a .8 gain which as we all know is just a guess since I have not done it. I decided to add the blower before adding gears and a converter.

The Same day I went 10.99@125.40 there was a twin turbo 650rwhp 5th gen there it was a manual and it was only able to run 12.7@117, he was on stock rubber though, I would have expected more mph out of the car though even though he could not hook. So I would have to agree w/ you fast 5th gens do seem to be few and far apart.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

What are you trying to prove by posting an article that has the slowest time out there for the 5.0 ? Want me to post a video or link of multiple other sources where the Mustang is running 12.7s ? That comparison test you posted isn't even apples to apples, the mustang is on all seasons....

Listen go and read the forums over at the SVT site, the average stock times posted are within what was mentioned in this article and others. Truth is there are many more above the 12.7 than there are 12.7 or under. Stock average driver, average conditions, and an unprepped track results in times of 12.7 - 13.5, nothing wrong with that at all really, no need to get offended and start the "but what about this video" rants. All of us members here in Camaro5 know that the 5.0 is a very capable performer.

[Wanna-Play]

WTB, Loves is mustang, and his stories are alittle thick, the mustang is going too have a full make over in 214 or 2015, there sales are dropping bad, as far as blind spots they all have them, at first is seems bad but after a while is same as the rest,
as far as look of the 2011 it is ugly, a 2004 is better looking

[wbt]

Originally Posted by JUISSD

Nice. Stalled auto?

My car is a manual.

The white 2011 is an auto.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by wbt

You can understand why I am underwhelmed. 2011 Mustang GT ran 1 sec. quicker with fewer mods. Imagine if it ran in -200 DA? If's and but's but you get the idea.



I ran at Temple Academy Dragway a few weeks ago. 2,700' DA and terrible track conditions. 11.75@117. Fastest 5th gen there was 12.52 with a supercharger. We didn't run video that evening.

I can only speak from what we observe at the same track/day for comparison.

BTW - I think HRP has a 2 month window where air is really good for hero runs. I agree the NE tracks boast some of the best conditions but they can't run in the Winter like you and I can.

Those are some impressive times, especially for that hill billy track. Your tires, suspension and driver mods did that for ya, nice job man. I ran a best of 14.06 in a previous 93 GT I owned, I made 373rwhp and 365rwtqe but my 60' times were disgraceful but I had some tires on that were just as disgraceful. I went with AAS for a fun club event so I didn't really care but kinda did...

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Wanna-Play

WTB, Loves is mustang, and his stories are alittle thick, the mustang is going too have a full make over in 214 or 2015, there sales are dropping bad, as far as blind spots they all have them, at first is seems bad but after a while is same as the rest,
as far as look of the 2011 it is ugly, a 2004 is better looking

Lol!

Thick? Is that some new English slang term? I call it like I see it without exaggeration.

I think the "old" Mustang as you wish to refer to it as is pretty competitive with the Camaro for sales:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162528

Ford will be releasing the next generation of the Mustang in 2014. Most of the concepts I have seen are terrible and they will have IRS which is a deal killer for me.

Anywho, we have taken this one way far off topic. I enjoyed the conversation and GMRULZ, I will be keeping my eyes peeled for new times this Fall.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

Those are some impressive times, especially for that hill billy track. Your tires, suspension and driver mods did that for ya, nice job man. I ran a best of 14.06 in a previous 93 GT I owned, I made 373rwhp and 365rwtqe but my 60' times were disgraceful but I had some tires on that were just as disgraceful. I went with AAS for a fun club event so I didn't really care but kinda did...

Thanks man. I can say I have been there and run at the oldest track in Texas now.

They have a pot hole in the right lane now at about the 1/8th mile mark. I have no plans to go back there and will stick with SAR.