No future for v6

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by victoryredRS

ok let me rephrase that I dont think there is that many V6 owners that bought it to race it.

Most people who bought the ss also didn't buy it to race. Some people are into that and some aren't. Those that are realize that there are pros and cons with any platform. The LS3 is a proven platform for moderate power but the LLT is too new to say the same. If you want see a proven V6 race platform look at the 3800 series engines. If the LLT is anything like that we are sitting pretty.


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[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by CamaroFreako

maybe because its 40 year old car.....maybe

The first gens were decent in stock form. New tires and suspension upgrades along with some easy engine mods you can do yourself get it running with the 40-year old newer rides and you aren't seeing one at every turn.

And the weak link on the manual v6 car isn't going to be the transmission, but I fear the clutch.

[VR Baron]

Originally Posted by usa1camaro1969

The first gens were decent in stock form. New tires and suspension upgrades along with some easy engine mods you can do yourself get it running with the 40-year old newer rides and you aren't seeing one at every turn.

And the weak link on the manual v6 car isn't going to be the transmission, but I fear the clutch.

Boy if Camarofreako is that unhappy why doesn't he take his own advise and trade in for a v8?

[bmorecam]

Guys guys calm down.. I didnt make this thread to compare between a v6 and a v8. We know the v8 has more aftermarket support and we know that v8 is a faster car, I simply just wanted to vent my frustration a little because even tho I just purchased my cam I've been looking around here and other forums like the mustang, genesis, etc.. etc.. for a long time and it seem like the cam v6 is receiving the least love. Think about it, the new mustang is a 3.7 vvti v6 and even the new hyundai is a 3800 v6 which both make close to cam HP and TQ but the difference with their engine and ours is that they are already hitting 13's with just a tuner mod which is under $400 and toooooons of aftermarket support especially the mustang, and please dont say that mustang has been around longer than the new camaro because although the brand "mustang" might of been around for a long time but the new v6 in the 2011 are actually newer than our camaro so I dont buy the whole "our car just came out BS"
I just hope what "bowtie00" have said make sense because even tho the beauty of my camaro won me over vs any other v6.. I dont think I can deal with the factory power for too long and I only have under 500 miles on my car.. the more and more I think about it cars are more like a woman, the beautiful ones always end up breaking your heart lol

[CamaroFreako]

Originally Posted by blackbee

Boy if Camarofreako is that unhappy why doesn't he take his own advise and trade in for a v8?

I am not unhappy with the car, I love my car.

I just dont look at it as a fast car or neither I see it has any potential.

I have done a few modes on my car, but they only for show and not performance.

And I don't know if anyone noticed, but Hennessey closed their Camaro V6 section, maybe market for V6 reached it limit :(

There one or two turbo kits for V6, but I see no results and they say it make the car as fast as SS, spending 10k-5k on a turbo kit to be as fast as SS doesn't seem worth it, and later you realize when the power you have isn't enough (if you are that type) and you want more but cant actually go any farther than that with your V6


And I plan to trade the V6 for the ZL1, I actually might keep the V6 and get the ZL1 as well.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by CamaroFreako

I have done a few modes on my car, but they only for show and not performance.

And I don't know if anyone noticed, but Hennessey closed their Camaro V6 section, maybe market for V6 reached it limit :(

maybe because they realized that the cost would outweigh the benefits for R&D. Like I said, all it takes is someone to spend the time and money to develop things for the car. the more people who want it, the more vendors will put forth the effort

[VR Baron]

Originally Posted by CamaroFreako

I am not unhappy with the car, I love my car.

I just dont look at it as a fast car or neither I see it has any potential.

I have done a few modes on my car, but they only for show and not performance.

And I don't know if anyone noticed, but Hennessey closed their Camaro V6 section, maybe market for V6 reached it limit :(

There one or two turbo kits for V6, but I see no results and they say it make the car as fast as SS, spending 10k-5k on a turbo kit to be as fast as SS doesn't seem worth it, and later you realize when the power you have isn't enough (if you are that type) and you want more but cant actually go any farther than that with your V6


And I plan to trade the V6 for the ZL1, I actually might keep the V6 and get the ZL1 as well.

Sounds like you are taking your own advise after all. And all power to you!
I think the point here is that the op wanted help as we all do to get as much from his car as he can and saying do the odvious by getting a v8 doesnt help him. We see that comment way to much. He knows that and if a v8 was his choice, sounds like he would be in the ss forums already and no here.

[bmorecam]

Originally Posted by blackbee

Sounds like you are taking your own advise after all. And all power to you!
I think the point here is that the op wanted help as we all do to get as much from his car as he can and saying do the odvious by getting a v8 doesnt help him. We see that comment way to much. He knows that and if a v8 was his choice, sounds like he would be in the ss forums already and no here.

WELL said! This is not about v8 vs v6. This is about v6 and in my opinion the v6 is in its own league as well as the v8. If I wanted to dish out for a v8 I would not even have gotten a camaro. There are way more better v8 platform than a camaro, maybe I would have pre ordered a boss 302 if I wanted a v8 that bad. Some of us are not as rich or retired like some of you v8 owners, in a real world situation I have to think about gas, insurance, and payments along with real family issues. I simply just wish that our new v6 can get some tuners love as the demand is there, whoever said that I want to go as fast as a SS? but I dont want it to be limited to only intake and exhaust and I think alot of us v6'ers are getting tired of waiting and waiting. So this has nothing to do with a v8 discussion period.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Granted, no one has produced anything like this with the LLT, but it is simply mistaken to believe that V6's aren't capable of producing 1000+ HP. Here are a few examples.

http://www.myshqipvideo.com/0_video_...20Engines.html

http://www.carsession.com/car-news/1...n-r35-gtr.html



http://www.mx6.com/forums/australia-...ze-gemini.html

The big difference is it is EASIER to make big power with a larger displacement engine. Some like to go the easy route and others like to take a more unique route. With time and money you can do a lot with the LLT engine, but be prepared to break things (just like the first guys to mod the LS3 engines).

[One Sick Camaro]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

WELL said! This is not about v8 vs v6. This is about v6 and in my opinion the v6 is in its own league as well as the v8. If I wanted to dish out for a v8 I would not even have gotten a camaro. There are way more better v8 platform than a camaro, maybe I would have pre ordered a boss 302 if I wanted a v8 that bad. Some of us are not as rich or retired like some of you v8 owners, in a real world situation I have to think about gas, insurance, and payments along with real family issues. I simply just wish that our new v6 can get some tuners love as the demand is there, whoever said that I want to go as fast as a SS? but I dont want it to be limited to only intake and exhaust and I think alot of us v6'ers are getting tired of waiting and waiting. So this has nothing to do with a v8 discussion period.

I agree with you man. My freinds have the new stang and one has a genesis and a 350z. We just gotta be patience and wait and see what happens with our motors. But even they asked me the same questions.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

WELL said! This is not about v8 vs v6. This is about v6 and in my opinion the v6 is in its own league as well as the v8. If I wanted to dish out for a v8 I would not even have gotten a camaro. There are way more better v8 platform than a camaro, maybe I would have pre ordered a boss 302 if I wanted a v8 that bad. Some of us are not as rich or retired like some of you v8 owners, in a real world situation I have to think about gas, insurance, and payments along with real family issues. I simply just wish that our new v6 can get some tuners love as the demand is there, whoever said that I want to go as fast as a SS? but I dont want it to be limited to only intake and exhaust and I think alot of us v6'ers are getting tired of waiting and waiting. So this has nothing to do with a v8 discussion period.

Right now we are looking at headers, CAI and exhaust for simple bolt ons; a full complement may yeld 20-25 RWHP. BMWDON is working on porting the heads and that may be promising. CAMs may be an option, but with four it will be petty expensive. All I can say is set a goal and figure out how to achieve it. If you want power comparable to an LS3 then go turbo, but you will be looking at about the same price difference as getting the SS except for gas, insurance, etc. If you are looking at maybe 300 RWHP then consider being a leader and look into getting CAMs or wait to see what Don's project yeilds. If you want a quick hit for little money on an as-need basis, try nitrous.

We can sit around and bitch about not much being available, or we can make stuff happen. I know that several traditional V8 shops are watching our threads, but if they see lot's of V6 guys just complaining or not buying what is available, they aren't going to jump in. That would be a bad business decision on their part. Heck, just look at what happened to the V6 wishlist thread that was started a while back...it turned into a bitch session about a timing chain issue that probably affect very few V6 owners. I know that this sounds like I'm up on a soapbox, but sometimes I wonder if we aren't part of the problem...

Okay, I'm done.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

WELL said! This is not about v8 vs v6. This is about v6 and in my opinion the v6 is in its own league as well as the v8. If I wanted to dish out for a v8 I would not even have gotten a camaro. There are way more better v8 platform than a camaro, maybe I would have pre ordered a boss 302 if I wanted a v8 that bad. Some of us are not as rich or retired like some of you v8 owners, in a real world situation I have to think about gas, insurance, and payments along with real family issues. I simply just wish that our new v6 can get some tuners love as the demand is there, whoever said that I want to go as fast as a SS? but I dont want it to be limited to only intake and exhaust and I think alot of us v6'ers are getting tired of waiting and waiting. So this has nothing to do with a v8 discussion period.

I wouldn't say there are better V8 platforms out there, but I understand your point. There are faster cars. I got a V6 because I have real expenses. Based on the performance, there is even more competition in the V6 segment. It's even more important to compete in that segment so that we can establish the dominance of our cars. As long as we V6 owners persist, we will have a huge aftermarket.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I wouldn't say there are better V8 platforms out there, but I understand your point. There are faster cars. I got a V6 because I have real expenses. Based on the performance, there is even more competition in the V6 segment. It's even more important to compete in that segment so that we can establish the dominance of our cars. As long as we V6 owners persist, we will have a huge aftermarket.

[King Sun]

lol people still falling for camarofreako trolling