i can beat a mustang 2011 with my L99 with this tools?

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

Wow, why do L99 owners have to be such wishful-thinkers...

I'm not saying what I said about the L99 because I wanted to hurt your feelings, I own the car and race this thing pretty often, a stock L99 isn't faster than a stock LS3, end of story. I had to find that out the hard way, through experience, many times. Sure it hurt my feelings then because it made me feel like I bought the inferior car, but it was the truth, and accepting that fact has allowed me to gauge my cars performance and take the appropriate steps to make it faster.

The L99 IS faster to 60,....transmission/gearing advantage, but in the 1/4 mile, or anything beyond that, equal drivers, the LS3 wins. It's proven. The LS3 traps higher in the quarter, and the L99 has yet to even see the light of the fastest LS3 time of "12.5" while stock. I love my car,....a L99, but I'm just being realistic about what it can do. Go put a stock L99 against a new Mustang 5.0, drag race or from a roll, it'll get crushed, ....it will be several 10ths slower. Put a LS3 against a 5.0 and expect a drivers race.

And funny you bring up mods,.....my car is pretty well modified for what I want to do-go faster/race, and currently, it's entirely faster than a stock LS3 or some even lightly modified ones, but if you slap on the same modifications to an LS3, it will be putting down waay more power to the wheels.

Have you honestly checked out some of the L99 builds around here? Sometimes it makes me wish I did buy the LS3,.....put headers, exhaust, cai, and a tune on the L99 and you'd be close to 400 rwhp, very close,.....put those same mods on a LS3 and you'd be WELL OVER the 400rwhp mark. I believe the L99's weakness lies in it's cam profile and a few other minor things. If this were not the case, it would be easily be putting down similar power to the LS3, not 30-40 hp below it.

But if you put the right cam in a L99, NOW you can make some big power. It's what I had to do,....although I had to go pretty aggressive, the car makes a ridiculous amount of hp for ME to drive around with, it's loud as hell, very fast, and other people love it. Look I'm not putting down the L99, I love it, but I'm just being a realist.

OP, with your current set of modifications, in all honestly I do not think you would beat a stock 5.0, it's just not enough. Get a long tube header system with exhaust, cai, and a tune, -then your ready.

All of that sounds pretty good and with finality, but the L99 holds it's own against an equally equipped bone stock 5.0 Mustang. Ask two who lost to me at our little 1/8th mile track when my car was bone stock. You are right though, the L99 will take mods to keep up with the LS3. With my mods, I'm hoping that 99% of the LS3s I will ever run are bone stock. Will that make me feel good?....you bet! In the end, however, there's good reason why most great running cars including the Evo 5.0 Mustang are running automatic transmissions.

[daveagogo1]

Originally Posted by DJ ATOMIX

I dont know why but people never seem to bring the paddle shifters into the equation. If you got them on your L99, you'll have a much better chance in the quarter mile. On my v6 auto with them compared to using just automatic mode, my 1/4 mile time was cut from 6 seconds down to 5.6 seconds (Alot!) shifting at a littl higher rpm than the when the camaro does in auto mode.

From what I've notice, I can almost be certain the L99 will do simular. In comparison factor for me, the v6 manual hits 5.5 on the quarter mile driver depending.


Shaun

Put her in M and drop the hammer from a dead stop using the paddles and hang on. I get consistent zero spin and full hookup. They really take some work getting used to but once you do. It's like crack. I have gotten some wicked launches off.

[ffrcobra_65]

please post a picture of the "tool"

[28.]

Originally Posted by macwest

I disagree both are evenly matched cars stock for stock. Comes down to driver. However, if the mustang owner bought the track pack 3.73 gears, suspension upgrade... then they would have the advantage.

All 2011 GTs come with track pack (which was actually optional in the 2010s).. It's the Brembo package that's optional now..

[KarFan]

Originally Posted by 28.

All 2011 GTs come with track pack (which was actually optional in the 2010s).. It's the Brembo package that's optional now..

True but 3.55 and 3.73 gears are also optional.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

Wow, why do L99 owners have to be such wishful-thinkers...

I'm not saying what I said about the L99 because I wanted to hurt your feelings, I own the car and race this thing pretty often, a stock L99 isn't faster than a stock LS3, end of story. I had to find that out the hard way, through experience, many times. Sure it hurt my feelings then because it made me feel like I bought the inferior car, but it was the truth, and accepting that fact has allowed me to gauge my cars performance and take the appropriate steps to make it faster.

The L99 IS faster to 60,....transmission/gearing advantage, but in the 1/4 mile, or anything beyond that, equal drivers, the LS3 wins. It's proven. The LS3 traps higher in the quarter, and the L99 has yet to even see the light of the fastest LS3 time of "12.5" while stock. I love my car,....a L99, but I'm just being realistic about what it can do. Go put a stock L99 against a new Mustang 5.0, drag race or from a roll, it'll get crushed, ....it will be several 10ths slower. Put a LS3 against a 5.0 and expect a drivers race.

And funny you bring up mods,.....my car is pretty well modified for what I want to do-go faster/race, and currently, it's entirely faster than a stock LS3 or some even lightly modified ones, but if you slap on the same modifications to an LS3, it will be putting down waay more power to the wheels.

Have you honestly checked out some of the L99 builds around here? Sometimes it makes me wish I did buy the LS3,.....put headers, exhaust, cai, and a tune on the L99 and you'd be close to 400 rwhp, very close,.....put those same mods on a LS3 and you'd be WELL OVER the 400rwhp mark. I believe the L99's weakness lies in it's cam profile and a few other minor things. If this were not the case, it would be easily be putting down similar power to the LS3, not 30-40 hp below it.

But if you put the right cam in a L99, NOW you can make some big power. It's what I had to do,....although I had to go pretty aggressive, the car makes a ridiculous amount of hp for ME to drive around with, it's loud as hell, very fast, and other people love it. Look I'm not putting down the L99, I love it, but I'm just being a realist.

OP, with your current set of modifications, in all honestly I do not think you would beat a stock 5.0, it's just not enough. Get a long tube header system with exhaust, cai, and a tune, -then your ready.

Your write-up here is fair, but not entirely acurate. Even if you are an L99 owner.

First of all, the OP said he was slightly moded. Intake and headers. Shorties but still, better than stock.

Second, some of the stock times listed are absolute . That's all I'll say there. Both L99 AND LS3.

Third, the ONLY thing the LS3 has on a L99 (stock) is the cam. THAT;s IT. The L99 is geared better, and mor consintant. they can take their extra 26 ponies and gain MUCH less with a simple cam than an L99. Even with the 3% more DT loss, an L99 has advantages.

Of course, once the mods start, it doesn't matter.

IMO, the answer to the OP is drivers race. He has a few mods that can make it up. The tune may be the difference. Tune it and it's definitely on par.

[1Camaro2SS]

I never thought I had a chance against a 2011 mustang with my L99 when it was pure stock, but now with the tune and exhaust, i think I should not have a problem. This car has woken up from the dead since my tune and headers. Holy crap! I need better tires now! This thing now spins the tires on dry pavement even when i punch it at 40mph. People think it's a manual trans. LOL

[chd1]

But even after you beat him what have you done?

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by PQ

Your write-up here is fair, but not entirely acurate. Even if you are an L99 owner.

First of all, the OP said he was slightly moded. Intake and headers. Shorties but still, better than stock.

Second, some of the stock times listed are absolute . That's all I'll say there. Both L99 AND LS3.

Third, the ONLY thing the LS3 has on a L99 (stock) is the cam. THAT;s IT. The L99 is geared better, and mor consintant. they can take their extra 26 ponies and gain MUCH less with a simple cam than an L99. Even with the 3% more DT loss, an L99 has advantages.

Of course, once the mods start, it doesn't matter.

IMO, the answer to the OP is drivers race. He has a few mods that can make it up. The tune may be the difference. Tune it and it's definitely on par.

Bigger cam...more compression....less drivetrain loss.

C'mon man.....a simple cam swap put me @ 470 rwhp, let me see an L99 pull that one off.

[SGOS252382]

Padre ran something like 12.7s or 12.8s last weekend with just a CAI, Catback, and a Tune in his L99 A6. That could definately beat the average Joe in a 5.0 GT.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Bigger cam...more compression....less drivetrain loss.

C'mon man.....a simple cam swap put me @ 470 rwhp, let me see an L99 pull that one off.

The auto RE gearing makes up for the drivetrain loss. And if you and me put the same aftermarket cam in our cars, we will have the same crank horsepower. Differnece is, if I gained 76 horse power, then you only gained 50 hp. Because it was the cam that had your initial 26 hp advantage. (If we were both still stock that is) But the more compression comes from the bigger cam so they are the same thing.

So sure, we have a drivetrain loss of 3% more on average, but we gain more than that back on the ground by the gearing.

So the real advantage to the LS3 is the cam. And all I'm saying is a simple cam swap and the L99 is ahead.

Stock for stock, the L99 is 3% more drivetrain loss, AND 26 hp down and still only .1 slower on average.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by PQ

The auto RE gearing makes up for the drivetrain loss. And if you and me put the same aftermarket cam in our cars, we will have the same crank horsepower. Differnece is, if I gained 76 horse power, then you only gained 50 hp. Because it was the cam that had your initial 26 hp advantage. (If we were both still stock that is) But the more compression comes from the bigger cam so they are the same thing.

So sure, we have a drivetrain loss of 3% more on average, but we gain more than that back on the ground by the gearing.

So the real advantage to the LS3 is the cam. And all I'm saying is a simple cam swap and the L99 is ahead.

Stock for stock, the L99 is 3% more drivetrain loss, AND 26 hp down and still only .1 slower on average.

Wrong!

A. You couldn't put my cam in your car without doing an LS3 conversion.
B. Even if you could, you'd still make less power because of the reduced compression.

The real advantage to the LS3 is if you're taking the NA approach to modding.

If you're going to just slap on a blower and call it a day, L99 all the way.

How much HP you laying down with the blower right now?
I just finished up some porting and polishing so I should be seeing 500 rwhp on motor. That's a TALL task for a N/A L99 that doesn't have the conversion.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

please post a picture of the "tool"

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[PQ]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

A. You couldn't put my cam in your car without doing an LS3 conversion.

I can't imagine not doing the LS3 conversion if I'm putting a cam in.

I was basing my thoughts on the assumption that it was just reallized that by aftermarket cam, I was doing the LS3 conversion. VVT sucks. Maybe some would keep it, but now way I do a cam and keep it. The cost is irrelevant. You swap cams on the L99, you do the conversion. Period.

SO, that said, compression will be the same, and crank power will be the same.

I'm only laying down 471/476 at the wheels mainly due to my wheels. But a cam will have me the same crank power as any LS3 with the same mods. There are a thousand configs to use, but my only point is that if a stock L99 and a stock LS3 both did the same cam, they'd have the same crank power. (again, I can't imagine not doing the conversion if yer gonna do a cam anyway)

My next move is a cam with my blower.

Has anyone with an L99 done a cam and NOT done the LS3 conversion?