February 2011 Camaro Sales and Production Figures

[Edge.128]

not many camaros sitting around here. the same about 10 challengers for about almost a year now still sitting around. few mustangs but they come and go don't really keep track either way GREAT NEWS

[thePill]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

My local ford dealer has more mustangs on the lot than the two chevy dealer's have combined of camaros, so I think chevy has a better handle on inventories at least in my area when it comes to the camaro than ford does on the mustang. This has been true ever since the 2010's came out. Ford dealership has 27 mustangs including 1 2010 model and the 2 Chevy dealerships have a combined 16 camaros including 2 2010 models for comparison. The camaro is gaining in popularity in this area big time from what I've noticed just by what's on the street.

I don't think you understand the way sales work, a delivery is a sale between GM and the GM dealer. It does not matter if the dealer cannot get rid of them or not.. If that dealer has 27 Mustangs on his lot that is his stupid fault. A dealer will generally order a handful unless it is a high value car. GM or Ford does not track the vehicle beyond invoice purchases.. That would be a nightmare...

I would really love to see a picture of a dealer with 27 Mustangs on his lot... If he couldn't sell the first five he ordered why would he order more? Ford/GM doesn't just ship a dealer the cars unless the dealer/customer pays for it first..

The fact remains... GM has alot of Camaro's still sitting at the plant or in storage somewhere... They will most likely limit the coupe's production so they can keep up with the convertible sales..

They produced just over 9000 in Jan & Feb, I am willing to bet that a large chunk of Feb's numbers were convertibles.

All sales of all three cars are pretty low, it is winter.. so a slight increase once the 2011 Verts and 2012 Mustangs start being shipped to the customers and not just the dealers...

[RLHMARINES]

originally posted by The Pill
I don't think you understand the way sales work, a delivery is a sale between GM and the GM dealer. It does not matter if the dealer cannot get rid of them or not.. If that dealer has 27 Mustangs on his lot that is his stupid fault. A dealer will generally order a handful unless it is a high value car. GM or Ford does not track the vehicle beyond invoice purchases.. That would be a nightmare...

This is exactly what matters most, how many cars are still sitting on dealership lots for sale compared to what has been produced. It doesn't matter how a sale is interpreted, it matters if dealers or manufactures must slow production to pace inventories and or offer rebates to move them off the lots like ford did on the 2010s when the 2011s with the new power trains came out last summer. The manufacturer who sells more with less incentives win in the end, that's what running a successful business is all about. Old GM operated this way and I use to purchase accordingly to incentive offers and end of model year to get the best possible deals. Putting money on the hood to move metal eventually comes of the profit margins. Dealership holdback money on a vehicle sale thats typically 3% which is provided by the manufacturers can be used to track actual customer sales if needed.

If you do not believe my post on what I posted about dealer inventories in my local area, you can do a google search for your own satisfaction. The eye does not lie.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

This is exactly what matters most, how many cars are still sitting on dealership lots for sale compared to what has been produced. It doesn't matter how a sale is interpreted, it matters if dealers or manufactures must slow production to pace inventories and or offer rebates to move them off the lots like ford did on the 2010s when the 2011s with the new power trains came out last summer. The manufacturer who sells more with less incentives win in the end, that's what running a successful business is all about. Old GM operated this way and I use to purchase accordingly to incentive offers and end of model year to get the best possible deals. Putting money on the hood to move metal eventually comes of the profit margins. Dealership holdback money on a vehicle sale thats typically 3% which is provided by the manufacturers can be used to track actual customer sales if needed.

If you do not believe my post on what I posted about dealer inventories in my local area, you can do a google search for your own satisfaction. The eye does not lie.

What is your area code?

[RLHMARINES]

912

[RLHMARINES]

J C Lewis Ford, Dan Vaden Chevrolet/Cadillac, and Coastal Chevrolet.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

This is exactly what matters most, how many cars are still sitting on dealership lots for sale compared to what has been produced. It doesn't matter how a sale is interpreted, it matters if dealers or manufactures must slow production to pace inventories and or offer rebates to move them off the lots like ford did on the 2010s when the 2011s with the new power trains came out last summer. The manufacturer who sells more with less incentives win in the end, that's what running a successful business is all about. Old GM operated this way and I use to purchase accordingly to incentive offers and end of model year to get the best possible deals. Putting money on the hood to move metal eventually comes of the profit margins. Dealership holdback money on a vehicle sale thats typically 3% which is provided by the manufacturers can be used to track actual customer sales if needed.

If you do not believe my post on what I posted about dealer inventories in my local area, you can do a google search for your own satisfaction. The eye does not lie.

The dealership I use to work for a while back was the largest Honda dealership in northern California. Since the cars moved so fast, a large inventory was needed. Unless you are tracking each individual vin of those mustangs to check if they are really moving, your visual tracking of these cars is not worth the time to even post. So yes, the eyed DOES lie.

[DarkneSS]

I think we can end all these reviews, comparisons, and debates. Camaro is clearly king for this generation of cars. Ford fans might as well concede at this point. Maybe you guys will get it back next time around haha

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

I think we can end all these reviews, comparisons, and debates. Camaro is clearly king for this generation of cars. Ford fans might as well concede at this point. Maybe you guys will get it back next time around haha

[thePill]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

This is exactly what matters most, how many cars are still sitting on dealership lots for sale compared to what has been produced. It doesn't matter how a sale is interpreted, it matters if dealers or manufactures must slow production to pace inventories and or offer rebates to move them off the lots like ford did on the 2010s when the 2011s with the new power trains came out last summer. The manufacturer who sells more with less incentives win in the end, that's what running a successful business is all about. Old GM operated this way and I use to purchase accordingly to incentive offers and end of model year to get the best possible deals. Putting money on the hood to move metal eventually comes of the profit margins. Dealership holdback money on a vehicle sale thats typically 3% which is provided by the manufacturers can be used to track actual customer sales if needed.

It’s safe to say that a portion of the sales deliveries GM and Ford report each month are NOT actual sales to the customer. If you have dealers in your area ordering car after car and not selling any of them then I have doubts about that dealers business sense... Just tell me the dealers name and I will look him up..

I don't care about dealer incentives, factory incentives are offer to adjust MSRP. If that was the case they why does the 2012 Mustang have a $1000 dollar rebate before the 2012 hits the lots? The manufacturer sells the car at INVOICE, which is far less than the MSRP. The moment a dealer orders your car, he buys it at INVOICE and charges you the MSRP rate and occasionally Mark-up. Dealers have their own incentives, as long as they do not go below the INVOICE in which they bought the car from the manufacturer then YOU think your getting a good deal. A dealer can hold whatever percent he wants, the delivery sale counts when the car is purchased at INVOICE... It would be ridiculous to track every dealers movements throughout the entire year on every single car... It would take an entire month to communicate with every dealer (about 4000 in Fords case) and get an accurate number sold on every model available in the entire fleet...

Instead, they only count the deliveries in which the car was sold at INVOICE to the dealer. That is why it only tipically takes a day or two to publish the numbers...

Ford only produced 78k Mustangs last year and they sold about 73k so that leaves about 5000 (some are '10's some are '11s) that were not shipped or sold at invoice...

You are getting factory incentives confused with dealer incentives...

[thePill]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

I think we can end all these reviews, comparisons, and debates. Camaro is clearly king for this generation of cars. Ford fans might as well concede at this point. Maybe you guys will get it back next time around haha

The Camaro still has not sold more in its current generation than the 2005 Mustang had for a single MY. Let me know when they hit the 500k mark and I'll tell you how much more they have to go... 147k in two MY's

Sales for this market are horrible right now...

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by thePill

The Camaro still has not sold more in its current generation than the 2005 Mustang had for a single MY. Let me know when they hit the 500k mark and I'll tell you how much more they have to go... 147k in two MY's

Sales for this market are horrible right now...

Quit living in the past. Now is now.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Oh, and you do realize there was no Camaro around in 2005, thus your inflated sales.

[RLHMARINES]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

The dealership I use to work for a while back was the largest Honda dealership in northern California. Since the cars moved so fast, a large inventory was needed. Unless you are tracking each individual vin of those mustangs to check if they are really moving, your visual tracking of these cars is not worth the time to even post. So yes, the eyed DOES lie.

If that was the case the mustang would have won the sales battle for all eternity, but that is not the case is it. I have salemen friends who work at all three local dealership and believe me the camaro is the clear winner in my area. I do not post speculations very often but when I do, I will say so. That is Fact.