the best muscle there ever will be

[tmandoug1]

Originally Posted by htron50

That's the point.... you are LIVING a Legend. You are DRIVING a Legend. You will OWN a Legend. You will have the JOY of SHARING the Legend and the responsibility for PAYING it FORWARD.

This is like having a fortune ball, predicting the future, and then watching it unfold in real time in YOUR HANDS. OMG!

Edit: PRODUCTION MUSCLE car should have been in poll.

What you gonna say to a 2012 Zl1 Camaro when it goes by your 2013 ZL1 Camaro? I wish I coulda,,,,maybe.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by hairtrigger

With all the perceived constraints on society from the conservationists and knee jerk politicians endorsing the peak oil/earth is melting senario,,,,there is still a huge following for Horsepower powered by oil and until oil ends we are going to see the Pony/Sports car wars continue. It will cost more in the short term but people are smart and the ZL1 in the future will be nothing but a step in the ladder. There will be better Muscle/Pony cars than the ZL1 or GT500 from 2012/13 in the future.

That's all true, no denial, but the only factor you did not consider is the ever increasing price the consumer will pay for the performance car you mentioned. The working class will be priced out of the American factory performance market very soon..., and at a faster inflationary rate than we have been previously accustomed to. Huge CAFE increases loom on the horizon. My take is, if you don't like $54,995 for starters now, your sure not gonna like what 2015 and beyond has in store price wise. The performance car price is outpacing the middle class workers pay increase in pay scale. Unless you are independantly wealthy. Summary: This somewhat affordable party is gonna be over soon. Unless you got bucks to burn. If you don't, my suggestion to potential buyers on a budget is to get one now.

[GoldenBear]

I have found over the years that different people tend to have different definitions for the term "Muscle Car." Some think that the 1961 Impala SS with the 409 was the first muscle car, while others believe that the 1964 GTO was the first muscle car. Some think that to qualify as a muscle car that a vehicle must be a mid sized car with a large displacement engine, while other think all that is required is a large displacement engine. The 1964 1/2 Mustang certainly was not a muscle car, but some think that the late 60s big block Mustangs and Camaros were muscle cars, while others consider them Pony cars.

I prefer to refer to the new Camaro ZL1 a factory built high performance vehicle, and stay away from the muscle car nomenclature, as I agree with OldScool that the term muscle car is best left to vehicles of the 1960s and very early 1970s, since the muscle cars of that era were really quite different, in many respects including handling, comfort, features, sound systems, etc., from the factory high performance vehicles of today.

Regardless of what we label the ZL1, it's going to be one hell of a fun ride.

Be glad that you guys ordering 2012 Coupes don't have to wait as long to enjoy your rides as those of us ordering 2013 Convertibles have to wait.

[htp autoworks]

I dont get it. You want to call it a muscle car but throw in luxury options to make it a great daily driver. Doesnt make sense to me. Then you want to throw out it lapped the Ring in record time for a muscle car of 7:41... but a true muscle car wouldnt be running the Ring. It would be straight line performance. This article is a LOT of hype. A lot. Sure its going to be a great car and very quick, but you still have to throw in the ZR1 and Dodge Viper (which is more of a true muscle car to me... no nanny tech, big engine, big brakes, raw power with lots of torque... than the ZL1) which would blow the ZL1 off the road. I guess we need a little more definition of the term "muscle car' and quit taking it into other areas when making comparisons.

There are some highly modded SS's here in the DFW area that would destroy the ZL1... which they would fit the term muscle car more to me.

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by htp autoworks

There are some highly modded SS's here in the DFW area that would destroy the ZL1...

I hear the inkling of my first challenge...
Cool.. I am in Dallas... Can't wait for the challenge...
Street or otherwise.... Cedar Creek is just a hop skip and a jump...
Red Line..... C5 Fest III......
Ill even make it fair... I won't even mod it for you..

btw..... I hear a very young inexperienced age in your tone.. I was street racing 68 camaros when 68's were cool....
I go way back....

Bring it Boy... Bring It......

[10forty2]

Originally Posted by 1BADZL1

I hear the inkling of my first challenge...
Cool.. I am in Dallas... Can't wait for the challenge...
Street or otherwise.... Cedar Creek is just a hop skip and a jump...
Red Line..... C5 Fest III......
Ill even make it fair... I won't even mod it for you..

btw..... I hear a very young inexperienced age in your tone.. I was street racing 68 camaros when 68's were cool....
I go way back....

Bring it Boy... Bring It......

Awwww...... It's on now!! There better be video!!!!

[htp autoworks]

Originally Posted by 1BADZL1

I hear the inkling of my first challenge...
Cool.. I am in Dallas... Can't wait for the challenge...
Street or otherwise.... Cedar Creek is just a hop skip and a jump...
Red Line..... C5 Fest III......
Ill even make it fair... I won't even mod it for you..

btw..... I hear a very young inexperienced age in your tone.. I was street racing 68 camaros when 68's were cool....
I go way back....

Bring it Boy... Bring It......

Boy??? I may not be ancient like you but I am old enough to have already retired from the Air Force. So way to age yourself gramps.

By the way I didnt say I had one of those Camaros but I work on a lot of Camaros and have seen some pretty incredible cars around here. But if you think your car will be invicible against a 900whp Camaro I am sure there will be a few guys that would want to bet on it. Just dont loose all of your Social Security for the month. I would hate that for you.

By the way I noticed you didnt even touch the rst of my post about what is the TRUE definition of a muscle car. And since you were already 40-50 years old when they came out I figued you would be the expert. And let us know how you do against the first ZR1 or Gen IV Viper you run into.

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by htp autoworks

Boy??? I may not be ancient like you but I am old enough to have already retired from the Air Force. So way to age yourself gramps.

By the way I didnt say I had one of those Camaros but I work on a lot of Camaros and have seen some pretty incredible cars around here. But if you think your car will be invicible against a 900whp Camaro I am sure there will be a few guys that would want to bet on it. Just dont loose all of your Social Security for the month. I would hate that for you.

By the way I noticed you didnt even touch the rst of my post about what is the TRUE definition of a muscle car. And since you were already 40-50 years old when they came out I figued you would be the expert. And let us know how you do against the first ZR1 or Gen IV Viper you run into.

Geezeee... defensive are we?
I guess I had that one coming?
My only real point is it BETTER have 900 hp....

...and "boy" as in Texas Chainsaw Massacre....that one you might know...

Back to the OP...

Best Muscle Car of All time:

[1BADZL1]

Or this one.. but then again this is a Ford....
hahaha!

[1BADZL1]

...and "boy" as in Texas Chainsaw Massacre....that one you might know...

"Come on Boy...Bring it..."

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by 1BADZL1

Or this one.. but then again this is a Ford....
hahaha!

I could tell, have you seen the suspension on the BatMobile?


SOMEBODY needed a Justice [League] package.

[OldScoolCamaro]

In the beginning, there was the original muscle car.....

[GEEo]

the Best Muscle Car that wus ever built IMO and always will be would be the '69 Camaro COPO 427 or the '70 426 'cuda.

The New ones like the ZL1 or the GT500 is more like a super car than a muscle car.

[1BADZL1]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

In the beginning, there was the original muscle car.....

Powered by: All the muscle you can give it...hahaha.. this is great..
I forgot about this one..