Header idea?

[SPCBA]

I would not say obx is good quality. Maybe good enough quality for people...not good quality. Shitty, yes shitty materiels with at best suspect worksmanship.

In regards to Maryland speed. The informed me of less expensive headers and cats when I called them about kooks, I choose to buy kooks of my own regard.

If people are on budget constraints and every penny counts Doug thorley and tsp are fantastic options, just not as well known or as much time and money spent in branding.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SPCBA

I would not say obx is good quality. Maybe good enough quality for people...not good quality. Shitty, yes shitty materiels with at best suspect worksmanship.

In regards to Maryland speed. The informed me of less expensive headers and cats when I called them about kooks, I choose to buy kooks of my own regard.

If people are on budget constraints and every penny counts Doug thorley and tsp are fantastic options, just not as well known or as much time and money spent in branding.

I'd rather pay less money for a "shitty" header that performs just as well and lasts just as long as the best instead of paying an outrageous price for a header that performs just as well and lasts just as long as as a "shitty" header...lol, get it??!!

[SPCBA]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'd rather pay less money for a "shitty" header that performs just as well and lasts just as long as the best instead of paying an outrageous price for a header that performs just as well and lasts just as long as as a "shitty" header...lol, get it??!!

You are cute and I am afraid you don't get it. I am sorry that you are offended by the quality of materials and worksmanship of your headers. If you think they will last as long well your just not the sharpest header on the shelf.

Perhaps you should send lol texts to them omg k?

[2SS45th]

Quality headers have major differences, not even TSP uses a merge spike. Welds will be done perfect, they will fit without dimples, the flanges won't leak, etc.

You get what you pay for, if you don't want to pay the extra money don't, but don't say they are the same to make yourself feel better, they aren't.

[naSSty1]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Wow, nice route to take. I guess this country never did any such horrible things. I guess this country doesn't have a history of slavery, witch hunts and burning women (who it turns out merely suffered from an affliction currently known as epilepsy), gender inequality, racial profiling, discrimination based on sexual preference...oh, and darn near committing genocide to the lands original inhabitants. Sheesh...

I am going to hold back and smile at your complete ignorance. But you accomplished what you wanted already by making me reply so... Out of respect to other members here on Camaro5 I will refrain from commenting any further.

[Camarojt]

Merge spikes do what to your track time?? I agree that having merge spikes might be a great idea in theory but it still doesnt justify the extra 500 bucks in price and dang sure doesnt show it in performance which is what we want!!! nor is it a justifyable reason for the bashing of another brand. And to be clear i didnt say that they were the same. and you said if it makes me feel better to say they are the same?...... it wouldnt make me feel better bc i dont have these headers on my car.
I am simply tired of hearing all these self riotous Brand Braggers bashing other people on here for their decisions. Right back at ya then....., if it makes you feel better to believe its worth the extra money to throw at it, Then spend all you want. If you want i will charge you 4000 for a set so you can feel unstoppable and rep your super pricey headers on the forum. Brand bragging is stupid. And yes you get a folllowing on here of people that will shout out their Kooks headers and great. Cool, they are great headers, but then they bash anybody that has a less expensive brand even it it kicks their ass at the track. I personally dont care what brand someone buys. The fact is NOBODY HAS PROVED ANY REASONABLE DIFFERENCES IN ANY OF THE BRANDS ENOUGH TO BASH ANOTHER!

SPCBA....you clearly are a header genius and have some hard data to support your ignorance. Right?
NO i didnt think so, other than your biased opinion. You have nothing to back up the theory that they are "crap" Your crap.
And its retarded to think that they only reason someone might want to buy a OBX header is bc they are on a budget!! Does saying that statement make you feel like richy rich? If so, why didnt you by a Vette?
We all bought Camaros, i think its safe to say that affording it isnt always the factor at all. Maybe its that it doesnt seem logical to just throw away good money when it gains you nothing but a brand.
If there were side by side comparisons showing hp gain differences, fittment differences, then yes all of you would have a point and i would say touche' but there are none.

Instead of bashing a brand to shout out what you have, some people will politely just say here is what i use and it works great for me or i love mine! these are great comments. But some people like to act holy er than thou and curse anyone that dare buy a cheaper header. Man shut up with that crap! If there is a company coming out with legitimate crap and causing issues with failure or performance sucks, then call it out but be prepared to back it up. I think speed shops should stay way away from this bc its obvious that they are gonna lead you in the direction that benefits them.

[SPCBA]

You started a thread and are now butthurt several people and facts disagree with you.

To sum up your thoughts:
obx is great and is made of great materials with the same worksmanship from a country that is great and well known for standards.

I got some Christmas wrapping paper rolls I can rubber band together to make a super awesome set of headers if you want...only charge you a couple hundred.

Didn't buy a vette because I am not old enough to own one....same for ctsv. Would love to have one in a few decades.

[MarylandSpeed]

Well here is the bottom line with this thread. First...Kooks is not going to make a overseas header. I work with them to develop a lot of products, and it is not on the list. Could that change...maybe...but I would not count on it.

In regards to the ebay "replica" headers....you have reasonable expectations when you come posting here about them. I don't think it is reasonable to post about how they are the greatest thing ever, and go on about how you are sticking it to the big bad, overpiced header companies..and not expect to have reality thrown back in your face.

Telling someone they are quality, when odds are you have never seen the competition is wrong. They are not "quality". The set I have is the nastiest set of stainless headers I have ever seen. When we go to shows, we put them on a display next to a set of Kooks. No explaination of what they are...just 2 headers next to one another. No one ever comes up to us asking to buy a set, or saying anything postitive. On top of being low quality, they are a rip off of another companies design. The product may "work" and you may love it's price, but you can't get rid of the baggage that is behind why they are so cheap.

The reason I don't just sit on my hands, is most customers will buy a set of headers for their Camaro online, without ever seeing the various brands side by side. This means that things posted on this forum have a huge impact on their potential decision. So while you may post that your ebay headers are great....there is a very good chance, that is the only set of headers you have ever seen for a Camaro. As a retailer who sells one of the brands being ripped off, I feel that it is important to make sure potential customers get the whole story, and realize there are big differences in quality. Even if it means repeatedly upsetting a few people.

If you want a cheaper header, there are several brands like JBA, TSP, and Stainless Power that are higher quality than the ebay stuff...and not a rip off of someone elses design.

[thesaint]

Now I want to give a HUGE PROPS TO TEXAS SPEED!!
Made in the US!! Look GREAT!! Perform GREAT! Fit GREAT! only about $100 bucks higher than OBX! I think they deserve the trophy!! And you say that to make a quality header it's gonna be around $1000 bucks? Looks like they busted that theory!! Go ahead attack their quality?? What?? Can't hear ya? Oh... Their steel is ALSO US grade?? B But they must not perform well?? Ha wrong again! They perform GREAT! So now what other reasoning can you twist to justify a $1000 set of headers? Profits!!!


Two pages........ and this by camarojt was the only thing that makes sense.

Alex.... "I'll take headers that perform" for $600

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SPCBA

You are cute and I am afraid you don't get it. I am sorry that you are offended by the quality of materials and worksmanship of your headers. If you think they will last as long well your just not the sharpest header on the shelf.

Perhaps you should send lol texts to them omg k?

Oh trust me, I take no offense to how you view my headers. I am proud of what I bought, I tell everyone about them, they're in my sig, and I recommend them to everyone. You think they are shitty, and I think your Kooks are blatantly overpriced with no valid justification. Let's agree that we have opposing stances.

[rberns]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Wow, nice route to take. I guess this country never did any such horrible things. I guess this country doesn't have a history of slavery, witch hunts and burning women (who it turns out merely suffered from an affliction currently known as epilepsy), gender inequality, racial profiling, discrimination based on sexual preference...oh, and darn near committing genocide to the lands original inhabitants. Sheesh...

Originally Posted by naSSty1

I am going to hold back and smile at your complete ignorance. But you accomplished what you wanted already by making me reply so... Out of respect to other members here on Camaro5 I will refrain from commenting any further.

A good ignorance makes me laugh.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by SPCBA

You started a thread and are now butthurt several people and facts disagree with you.

To sum up your thoughts:
obx is great and is made of great materials with the same worksmanship from a country that is great and well known for standards.

I got some Christmas wrapping paper rolls I can rubber band together to make a super awesome set of headers if you want...only charge you a couple hundred.

Didn't buy a vette because I am not old enough to own one....same for ctsv. Would love to have one in a few decades.

Too funny! Butt hurt?? I don't think so! Lmao. I am not one bit upset that someone disagrees with me. I do know this ASPCA, I think YOU are probably inferior to most Camaro owners due to the fact that you lack reading skills and have off targeted attempt at comebacks.

OBX OBX OBX haha you don't like hearing the word do you?
Dang, maybe someone has umm assaulted you with the collector end of an OBX header before! 3" outlet!! Dannnng! Sorry I should be more understanding to someone in your condition.
Bottom line to you ma'am is that you have nothing but bad things to say about a product with ZERO proof. You just are joining the bandwagon like a sheep. Follow away sheep! It would be different if you said you only hated OBX because they stole a design. That I would respect. But they are by far not inferior crap. They are also not the best by any means. But price vs quality, not a bad deal. And so what if that's what someone on here wants!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Well here is the bottom line with this thread. First...Kooks is not going to make a overseas header. I work with them to develop a lot of products, and it is not on the list. Could that change...maybe...but I would not count on it.

In regards to the ebay "replica" headers....you have reasonable expectations when you come posting here about them. I don't think it is reasonable to post about how they are the greatest thing ever, and go on about how you are sticking it to the big bad, overpiced header companies..and not expect to have reality thrown back in your face.

Telling someone they are quality, when odds are you have never seen the competition is wrong. They are not "quality". The set I have is the nastiest set of stainless headers I have ever seen. When we go to shows, we put them on a display next to a set of Kooks. No explaination of what they are...just 2 headers next to one another. No one ever comes up to us asking to buy a set, or saying anything postitive. On top of being low quality, they are a rip off of another companies design. The product may "work" and you may love it's price, but you can't get rid of the baggage that is behind why they are so cheap.

The reason I don't just sit on my hands, is most customers will buy a set of headers for their Camaro online, without ever seeing the various brands side by side. This means that things posted on this forum have a huge impact on their potential decision. So while you may post that your ebay headers are great....there is a very good chance, that is the only set of headers you have ever seen for a Camaro. As a retailer who sells one of the brands being ripped off, I feel that it is important to make sure potential customers get the whole story, and realize there are big differences in quality. Even if it means repeatedly upsetting a few people.

If you want a cheaper header, there are several brands like JBA, TSP, and Stainless Power that are higher quality than the ebay stuff...and not a rip off of someone elses design.

Um, I notice you keep saying "Ebay replica headers". Are you not even allowed to say the name of a brand you don't sell?? Is that why you can't actually type the letters "OBX"?? Or is it just a form of disrespect to not acknowledge a competitors name in business? Just curious.

See, you say your point...and I say my point. I could just as easily write off your statements as a waste of effort. However, that tactic is a bit immature. I gladly and willingly listen to what you all have to say. And it doesn't affect me one bit. On the other hand, you are pretty sore about OBX (yes I can say that, unlike you) being a "knock-off" (as you allege) brand. Even tho in all realness there are other companies that offer US made products and don't charge anywhere near what your beloved brand charges. You can sit here all day calling out OBX for what they are, yet you turn a blind third eye to your favorite brand. Hey, I can admit that OBX seems to be a knock-off brand. Even tho there is no concrete evidence, it sure looks that way. And I don't care. You care, but can you admit that Kooks charge more than other US made high quality brands?

And agai, you just as easily turn your head when your shop sells and/or installs catless exhausts on street cars right?. Or modifies emissions equipment right? Hmm...I guess that's ok in your book of ethics. I can admit my ish. Are you willing to do the same? I doubt it.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Well here is the bottom line with this thread. First...Kooks is not going to make a overseas header. I work with them to develop a lot of products, and it is not on the list. Could that change...maybe...but I would not count on it.

In regards to the ebay "replica" headers....you have reasonable expectations when you come posting here about them. I don't think it is reasonable to post about how they are the greatest thing ever, and go on about how you are sticking it to the big bad, overpiced header companies..and not expect to have reality thrown back in your face.

Telling someone they are quality, when odds are you have never seen the competition is wrong. They are not "quality". The set I have is the nastiest set of stainless headers I have ever seen. When we go to shows, we put them on a display next to a set of Kooks. No explaination of what they are...just 2 headers next to one another. No one ever comes up to us asking to buy a set, or saying anything postitive. On top of being low quality, they are a rip off of another companies design. The product may "work" and you may love it's price, but you can't get rid of the baggage that is behind why they are so cheap.

The reason I don't just sit on my hands, is most customers will buy a set of headers for their Camaro online, without ever seeing the various brands side by side. This means that things posted on this forum have a huge impact on their potential decision. So while you may post that your ebay headers are great....there is a very good chance, that is the only set of headers you have ever seen for a Camaro. As a retailer who sells one of the brands being ripped off, I feel that it is important to make sure potential customers get the whole story, and realize there are big differences in quality. Even if it means repeatedly upsetting a few people.

If you want a cheaper header, there are several brands like JBA, TSP, and Stainless Power that are higher quality than the ebay stuff...and not a rip off of someone elses design.

Ok Maryland Speed perhaps you are right in knowing that indeed Kooks may never try to replicate their header the same way Stainless Works did. But you also have to admit that the idea isn't far fetched if another US company has already done it. I think it favors Kooks and would bury OBX.

As far as me posting on here about OBX being the greatest thing ever?? Again you twist things for your own benefit. I don't at all feel that they are even close to the greatest header! As far as quality, they are at the bottom. My point is that they are not the "crap" that you and others want them to he known for. You only point out what you want people to be informed on that BENEFITS your sales agenda. For instance, do you ever say to a customer,"here is a side by side comparison of OBX and kooks. Notice the differences in quality, bends on the tubing vs welded tubes, thickness of the metals, clean looking flanges, and then end it off by saying these are all benefits of kooks over these OBX headers but the dyno tests only shows about 1-3 hp difference between the two and the kooks are 3 times as high?? Of course you don't. So lets call a duck a duck. Yes kooks are a much better made header but it doesn't outperform it by maybe 1 hp if at all. Sure might last longer.
But also every time something is brought up about OBX you chime in and try to beat off anybody that has anything good to say about them.
The set of your OBX headers may have been when Liam Ki was having a bad case of the runs and you got the worst set as your example. Wouldn't it benefit you to show that one set around to everyone? I'm sure someone out there has had an issue with a Kooks set at some point. What if Texas Speed got ahold of it and said look at the quality that kooks has dropped to after trying to cut costs to stay with pricing against competitors. It would be kinda jacked up for kooks huh?
So you have the right to say your opinion on here just like others can like the OBX that they bought too. And FYI I don't own or have OBX. I just am calling those people out that are brand bullies Bc you will never bully me into feeling that I won't speak my mind.

Again I say TSP is the best value and it's US! There! Boom