How Bumpers are made, Paint Matched and Questions for FbodFather

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by hiway61revisted

Number3 why do you always have to tell us that the folks up in Oshawa Canada, are working their butts off ? What does that have to do with anything? From the pictures I have seen, I don't buy it. I believe they are working hard and putting in a good days work but you make it sound like they are digging a ditch in the mid day sun. Oh I also loved your solution, let the dealer handle it.

All I can tell you is go look at every car you see pictures of. You will be surprised to find that the paint matches.

My point is this. You are judging by photos. I'm judging by having seen over 100 Camaros with the metalic paint. So my point is if any buyers truly aren't happy they can take it to the dealer.

No car I've seen in person would warrant that. Not one. But that's me.

Is there a better solution in your mind? Just keep posting here about how unhappy the photos make us?

These threads are all from people judging by pictures. The actual owners don't seem to be complaining as much. They just proudly post pictures, which is great.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Number 3

My point is this. You are judging by photos. I'm judging by having seen over 100 Camaros with the metalic paint. So my point is if any buyers truly aren't happy they can take it to the dealer.

These threads are all from people judging by pictures. The actual owners don't seem to be complaining as much. They just proudly post pictures, which is great.

+1.

I think we all need to cool it a little...and perhaps listen to someone with just a *tad* more hands-on experience more seriously. Number 3's words holds just as much weight as those of Fbodfather's.

[2010SSRS]

Originally Posted by Number 3

EVERY car I've looked at matches if you stand directly over the two panels. It only looks different when you look from an angle where the light reflects differently. This same phenomena happens across the hood in the photos as well, but you don't notice it. I am sure this is why it is passing any color match test, because the colors match.

But please be correct and quit calling this the bumper. It is the fascia. The bumper is a large beam that runs side to side under the fascia and adds structure to your cars.

Sorry, it's just my pet peeve. You guys can continue the debate, just do so correctly.

From my experience with Corvette, the process outlined is pretty close except the body panels installed in the body shop are painted at Bowling Green. Electrostatic primer is applied to those parts. Fascias, I believe come in painted just like the Camaro.

Painted in the dark is meaningless comment, even though they may LOOK like it. The parts go through inspection and color match is one of those inspections. I would also suggest that the suppliers do a color check prior to parts being shipped to Oshawa. So, although I can't state as fact, I have to believe the parts are matching in the current inspections.

Also, as the rear fascia is painted the same way with the same paint as the front, why do they match? Because the angle is different in the photos. I can't say for sure, but it is very likely the front and rear fascias come from the same supplier using the same process. That would be interesting to confirm. Because no one concerned about rear fascia mismatch.

BTW, where is the first Camaro5 member who has a car and has taken it back for warranty repair? I can only recall one post so far. What are you guys being told. This constant speculation over photos is getting tiresome.

ya'll are beating a dead horse. while there may be an extremely slight difference the way the paint takes on poly vs. steel...........it's the angles and light reflection.

i have been over every inch of our IOM........if you take the reflective angles out of the equation.........it's a 100% match.

[2010SSRS]

see............the right side looks lighter, but that's the reflection of the sun. the left side isn't getting any direct sunlight, thus matching perfectly.

STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!

[jelly2m8]

I never took part in these treads as I know from past experiance it's a difference in paint or the application.

I'm actually surprised manufactures have not addressed this yet.

I purchased a new Elantra in 97. From day 1 I complained the bumpers were missmatched with the rest of the car. I was told repeaditly that " That's just how it is due to the nature of the different materials".

I knew different as I had worked in a chryslers dealer service department and I seen repaired cars come out with perfect matched paint compared pre damaged with missmatched bumpers.

One night after a party downtown I walked outside to see some asshat had walked up over my 2 month old car. Long story short, after the car was repaired with a new hood, trunk lid and repaired roof and basicially a complete paint job ( yes the bumpers were painted as they had stress cracks too).

The paint matched perfect on that car from teh front to the rear after it was painted.

The problem is not the materils the part is made of, it the application process by two different locations.

Mismatched paint isn't even acceptable on a sub 15k Hyundai, let alone a 40k car.

[rays]

Originally Posted by Matrix

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Rays,

First of all, I appologize if I discounted your father's opinion. We are missing a lot of experience in the industry that was provided by men and women like your father that knew their stuff.

Second, I am waiting for someone to start a thread with Bumper as the title just to get my goat. As I've said in many posts, it's my pet peeve. I know and everyone knows what you mean when you say bumper.

Third, we just bought my wife a new Malibu. SIM. In the right light (wrong light), the colors are off. Just a bit but they are off. Unless you are painting a car in the same booth with the same paint, they will never, NEVER, be exactly the same.

My need to defend here is when someone implies, infers, suggests, or hints that GM doesn't know what it's doing. I stongly jump to the defense of GM when that happens. And I strongly defend the men and women at Oshawa busting tail to get you great Camaros.

Anyone NOT happy with the paint match is covered under warranty. In fact if your car exhibits anything like what is often suggested here at Camaro5 you shouldn't sign the paper work. It is just amazing how someone will post 10 pictures of an IOM car and a couple in the odd light show a mismatch and this fire starts up again. Doesn't matter how perfect it looked in the other 10 photos.

You are the customer and you should be completely happy with your 2010 Camaro, as many members are. If you aren't, your dealer should resolve your concerns.

Thanks Number 3.

Its not my intention to imply they don't know what they are doing. We don't have an idea of the cause until someone in the know can find out why some show what were seeing. Its a unique front end design. Who knows, it could be something not in the spec, a missed supplier defect, or something we have no idea of yet.

My intentions are:

One. To get my car the way It should be.

Two. To share the knowledge I have available so people can be informed and make up their own minds.

Three. To let people know its not supposed to be like that if they think, oh well, I guess that's just how it is.

When I told my father I had pictures I could show him of the mismatch he was surprised. He says if you can see it in a picture it must be really off. You should never see it like that he says.

The one IOM car I saw in person was so far off it wasn't funny (pic 0602091251a.jpg taken with my cell) . My co-workers commented on the issue without ever hearing about it when they saw the car. VIN in the 2500's

The one RJT car I saw had the issue as well but not too noticeable(pic 2SS_.jpg). I didnt take that pic but I was there. Vin in the 6800's.

If things are the same as they were in the past, there are a lot of painted bumper-fascias sitting somewhere ready to bolt on.

And please, no bashing anybody here. Lets be civil and respectful here people.
Thanks!

[rays]

Once more. This is not a debate if the mismatch paint exists!
Thank you.

[Supermans]

has anybody from gm acknowledged this issue yet?

[rays]

Nothing said either way yet that I know of.

[69 Hugger]

Thing is it's been going on for a while, in the late 70's my 78 z-28 was the same way. In thirty plus years they should have a handle on it. I will say my 86Z was flawless paint looked great. Never owned a forth gen. Does the forth gens have the same issues ?

[shinzon]

GENERAL MOTORS

[McGruff]

The people who are sending in pictures complaining about color problems are mostly from actual owners themselves. An owner is a reliable source so don't do the "sunlight angles" talk on an owner.

Is Number 3 supposed to say anything different. Of course FBod and Number 3 are going to tell people to let it go, they work for GM. You can show them problems and they may talk to people but don't expect them to say "Oh, you're right. GM messed up big time". It's not going to happen.

The only thing that will matter is that QC has been informed of this problem and works to fix the problem. Naturally there will be some problems on the first model year but what matters is how fast GM responds to reported problems.

[Supermans]

This thread is very important and shows how important this forum is. GM will eventually have to say something about this as they should. When they do we all would have played a part in helping to resolve this issue.

[rays]

Well they built my car on Friday. I'll soon see.