Edelbrock SC coming for LS3

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

The Corvette was already in the works. It was the follow-up to the Mustang. YOU guys have made the Camaro a bigger priority than it was initially.

BTW,
The designer of this system does have a background in the SC market. He was an engineer at Saleen. Edelbrock gave him a blank slate to build all the things he'd always wanted into the system.

That's cool! It sounds to me like the system designer's got one good head on his shoulders!

[radz28]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

While at a Source Interlink / Super Chevy media event for a suspension systems comparo a couple hours today, Edelbrock’s supercharged Corvette was driven in by Vic. He discussed it at length as did Jason. They showed off a wheel dyno graph that laid down 530hp! The torque was more than 480 and VERY flat from about 3500 to 6000 at peak psi of 8. Vic had a very large smile on his face and said “that thing really hauls!”
It was really hot today (90+) and when Vic arrived and opened the hood, you could put your hand on top of the supercharger it was so cool. The intercooler is just under the “hat” or top area.
Sorry, forgot the camera.

That's right in-line with other Maggie users out there - not bad at all What interests me the MOST is how big the intercoolers are...

Originally Posted by JM10

JM

Originally Posted by Mindz

WTB more info on this ASAP.

Originally Posted by Mindz

They're virtually identical, but with the Edelbrock, air is sucked in from the bottom and blown up through the intercooler and comes down into the cylinder heads. In conventional tvs2300 units, the air is drawn in on top, blown down through the IC, and then makes a u turn to get above the cylinder heads, and another turn to head down into the cylinder heads.

Great write-up in a 'Stang rag' a month ago. Very cool stuff

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

The Edelbrock unit uses Eaton TVS rotors, there the similarity ends. The E-force is more like the LS9 ZR1 system than a "conventional" systems.

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

No, the kit will use a modified stock box in order to be certified for an EO number. The Mustang kit is that way. It's in the certification process right now.

What ever you need will come in the kit.

The top of the case looks different than the Mustang too, Also more "ZR1-ish".

Why is it the OEM airbox has to be used? I think that'd be the first thing to be changed and go back to stock at smog time. Those are great numbers though, if they're near the 'Vette numbers. It seems the trend is an aftermarket air box is worth upwards of about an average of 20 RWHP on the TVS2300'd cars.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Yes!!! I've been hoping they'd get their feet wet with the Camaro....and they're gonna do Corvette, now too?

Of all the systems out there, I'm most impressed by the folks that have never done forced induction. Who'da thunk it?

Funny how these things work sometimes, huh?

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

The Corvette was already in the works. It was the follow-up to the Mustang. YOU guys have made the Camaro a bigger priority than it was initially.

BTW,
The designer of this system does have a background in the SC market. He was an engineer at Saleen. Edelbrock gave him a blank slate to build all the things he'd always wanted into the system.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

That's cool! It sounds to me like the system designer's got one good head on his shoulders!

[HaveBlue]

Originally Posted by JM10

JM

[JM10]

NICE!!!!! It really looks like the ZR1 blower!!

Video?

[HaveBlue]

Why is it the OEM airbox has to be used? I think that'd be the first thing to be changed and go back to stock at smog time. Those are great numbers though, if they're near the 'Vette numbers. It seems the trend is an aftermarket air box is worth upwards of about an average of 20 RWHP on the TVS2300'd cars.

Ok, I'm not 100% sure this will be the case on the Camaro. On the Mustang there is a charcoal strip on the inside of the airbox lid. It's part of the emissions system (vapor trap). It is illegal to remove it. It is illegal to take it off and put it on another intake. So if you want to get an EO number you have to keep that housing. May not be the same on the Camaro.

[HaveBlue]

Originally Posted by JM10

NICE!!!!! It really looks like the ZR1 blower!!

Video?

Crap, I'll work on it.

[third1]

That is a sweet setup Edelbrocks reputation has me sold

[carfansince73]

Pretty nice design. I wonder how much it will cost with all those extras like injectors, plugs, and throttle body "thrown" in.

After watching that video, you'd think the centrifugal designs and Magnachargers are junk that are really prone to failure. :( :(

[HaveBlue]

Originally Posted by carfansince73

Pretty nice design. I wonder how much it will cost with all those extras like injectors, plugs, and throttle body "thrown" in.

After watching that video, you'd think the centrifugal designs and Magnachargers are junk that are really prone to failure. :( :(

The retail of the Mustang kit is 5800.00. I was told the C6 kit will be a little more, even though it will use the stock throttle body. It's a more complex casting with more tooling and machining.

EDIT; The extra parts aren't "thrown in". Getting an EO # requires that everything you used to get the certification be included in the kit.

It's a new mousetrap. That's what the aftermarket is all about. I look at it as going from a "bolt-on" type system to a more "integrated" system. More like OE level.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue

Why is it the OEM airbox has to be used? I think that'd be the first thing to be changed and go back to stock at smog time. Those are great numbers though, if they're near the 'Vette numbers. It seems the trend is an aftermarket air box is worth upwards of about an average of 20 RWHP on the TVS2300'd cars.

Ok, I'm not 100% sure this will be the case on the Camaro. On the Mustang there is a charcoal strip on the inside of the airbox lid. It's part of the emissions system (vapor trap). It is illegal to remove it. It is illegal to take it off and put it on another intake. So if you want to get an EO number you have to keep that housing. May not be the same on the Camaro.

That makes sense. I don't know if there's a similar trap in Camaro's air box but I remember reading about the Mustang.

I like the little features that Edelbrock touts in that video. Some of the stuff, though, seems like they're trying to make something of nothing though. The bypass valve is one. I LOVE how huge that intercooler is. I like the idea about the design of the manifold and runners, but it just looks like excess weight to me, in the worst part of the car - up high. I can see how it's figured that if it was good enough for ZR1, it should work here too... The jack shaft location and failure is something I haven't heard of much though. Considering the power production though - it's not like it was that much farther advanced, in comparison to a TS blower I read about, in a Mustang rag a couple months ago. The claim that Edelbrock makes about producing the same power with less boost really didn't pan out to complete confirmation when I compare bot articles. However, it was on two different cars, on two different days, and a bunch of other factors. There was a problem with the tune too... which they touted as a feature in that video:(

I'm not taking shots at Edelbrock. I'm totally interested in seeing some real-world comparisons though. That blower looks so cool though! I'm down for some more info'.

[DarricSS]

Wow! That is the best looking S/C on the market! Does not look like something you would see on a radio control car like the Techco...good job Edelbrock!

[HaveBlue]

More pics from the Super Chevy event.

http://www.superchevy.com/features/s...kit/index.html

I'll try to get more info this weekend.

radz282003
I have some answers and ideas for you, but I'm off the airport. I'll try to post tomorrow.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I like the little features that Edelbrock touts in that video. Some of the stuff, though, seems like they're trying to make something of nothing though. The bypass valve is one. I LOVE how huge that intercooler is. I like the idea about the design of the manifold and runners, but it just looks like excess weight to me, in the worst part of the car - up high. I can see how it's figured that if it was good enough for ZR1, it should work here too... The jack shaft location and failure is something I haven't heard of much though.

I'm no expert (so that little voice on my shoulder is telling me to "shut up, doofus.") BUT...

The Bypass valve point they made is actually quite significant in terms of durability. Every magnacharger instruction manual I've seen has had numerous, big bold warnings NOT to touch the bypass valve vacuum actuator during install. It pretty fragile. I imagine this stays the same throughout the life of the unit. If you accidentally whack it with a wrench or your arm or something, it's gonna pop, snap, or full-out break off. The Edelbrock way provides just one less thing to worry about (and it looks cleaner).

The runners and extra ducting up top isn't the big issue, I mean I'm thinking maybe 5-10 lbs extra weight...at most...(and if they can get it to fit under a stock Vette's hood..that's not high up at all. But also note on traditional systems how the actual supercharger (the majority of the weight) is mounted higher up than this unit. I actually think this system provides a CoG benefit over other supercharger systems, though probably not a net weight advantage.

And the jackshaft point may not be common, but think about it -- an extra shaft, and extra belt...more room for slippage, and more distance to lose power. Plus...that little belt back there is a pain in the rear to maintain.

[BlownChevy]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

And the jackshaft point may not be common, but think about it -- an extra shaft, and extra belt...more room for slippage, and more distance to lose power. Plus...that little belt back there is a pain in the rear to maintain.

Rated for 100K usage
Never in 11 years had an issue with slipage
Negligible power lost....in fact not even measurable

Think about this for a second, with a 427 CI motor and the direct drive blower you will NEVER get the blower to spin fast enough to make pressure. I noticed someone questioned the longevity of the shaft, we have been running this same set up for 11 years and have it on well over 13K units.......I can count on one had the failures I have seen in 6 years. The System of topic is pretty, however there are some inherent performance issues that they fail to mention. When you shrink the package to fit under the hood of a corvette you LOOSE performance. Whomever thinks we did not already try the under the hood approach is crazy.


Magna Charger works for a reason, it is engineered to do so. The system of topic will surly make the power, it is the same blower........ I give them credit for a well though out package for the envelope they were trying to fit it in....but the performance shortcomings will surface in due time.