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Dropspeed · 03-24-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

yep

100% agree with the above as well.....

MARKSTI · 03-24-2015, 01:08 PM

THANKS for feedback guys
The cars going in to the dealer shortly..

I would love to give more details, but am holding back due to the fact that Chevy hasn't given the green light on repairs.

I am gonna push for a new motor on this one, not a patch job assuming its engine internal like it appears to be on this one.

Doubleblank · 03-24-2015, 01:22 PM

I'll repeat what was told to me by two dealers. They focus on the terms "racing or competitive driving may affect the warranty." In other words , don't go enter any "track attack" type events, etc. But both said that simply driving on a track does not void their obligations under the warranty. They also both said they will look at the damage and seek it's cause, if possible. If there's evidence you missed a couple of downshifts and over revved the motor, you've given them an opening to reject any warranty claim.

My discussions with each dealer were in the context of "I am definitely going to take this car to the track. I won't race it or enter any competitive events. Will that void warranty work on the engine?" Both answered "No, but......." The reason I wanted to know is, if the warranty was getting voided anyway, I was going head first into modding the car with either heads, headers and a tune or pull the original motor intact and install a built motor.

BaylorCamaro · 03-24-2015, 01:51 PM

Unless I'm missing something here, why was the ECU flashed when there were no mods and on stock tune?

Russell James · 03-24-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MARKSTI

THANKS for feedback guys
The cars going in to the dealer shortly..

I would love to give more details, but am holding back due to the fact that Chevy hasn't given the green light on repairs.

I am gonna push for a new motor on this one, not a patch job assuming its engine internal like it appears to be on this one.

Keep your warranty book handy, and know the what is covered and what is not covered sections very well.

Make sure they determine the "cause" of the problem. That is the key. If it is a defect in material or workmanship, it is covered. If racing damage is the cause, not covered. Damage vs Defect. A really good tech will know a warranty repair when seen, versus damage. They should be able to explain exactly what is wrong and what caused it. Can't just blame it on a track. A track doesn't hurt motors, a part defect or driver does. For an experienced engine tech, it should be quite evident what happened and best route to fix it.

1KillerSS · 03-24-2015, 03:18 PM

I hate to see this thread get derailed on the whole "what is and isn't covered under warranty discussion", correct me if I am wrong but I don't think that was the OP's intention. The bottom line and its in the manual. If they think its from abuse, they can void it, track use or street use. Just because two dealers say that tracking it alone won't void your warranty doesnt mean thats the the case. They could still call it competitive driving. There have been enough threads on this subject to know that they evaluate on an individual basis. Its my belief that driving the car hard on the street as like it is on the track alone is not considered abuse, clearly thats not the case.

It cracks me up that a GM rep never steps in and comments on this subject, yet they are all over this forum.

backeddy · 03-24-2015, 03:21 PM

I have a GMCS crystal ball and I hope I am wrong.......here it comes.....the GMCS "ABUSE" axe. Please let us know how this plays out.......

'01LS1 · 03-24-2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Unless I'm missing something here, why was the ECU flashed when there were no mods and on stock tune?

He is saying he is glad he did not tune it as look what happened. Just worded differently.

Good luck to the op on getting this car back up & running!

Qfastvette · 03-24-2015, 04:04 PM

Its built for racing and that is what they advertise the car for to sell it. They race the shit out of them and if it was to be driven easy it would not be advertised for racing...

1KillerSS · 03-24-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Qfastvette

Its built for racing and that is what they advertise the car for to sell it. They race the shit out of them and if it was to be driven easy it would not be advertised for racing...

Unfortunately your dead wrong.

SixSpeeder · 03-24-2015, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

Your documentation doesn't say it isn't covered. any court will use the GM exec's videos to prove it is covered if push came to shove.

That's wrong, read your owner's manual.

There are ads that show Altima's on a race track, that doesn't mean they have a special track warranty.

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Originally Posted by Qfastvette

Its built for racing and that is what they advertise the car for to sell it. They race the shit out of them and if it was to be driven easy it would not be advertised for racing...

Read your owner's manual and warranty info, track use may void your warranty.

TLSTWIN · 03-24-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SixSpeeder

That's wrong, read your owner's manual.

There are ads that show Altima's on a race track, that doesn't mean they have a special track warranty.

Read your owner's manual and warranty info, track use may void your warranty.

I did read it and read what he posted the link to.

SixSpeeder · 03-24-2015, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

I did read it and read what he posted the link to.

That website link is not the complete owner's manual or warranty info:

TLSTWIN · 03-24-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SixSpeeder

That website link is not the complete owner's manual or warranty info:

03-24-2015, 01:22 PM	#31
Doubleblank Drives: 2010 Camaro SS, 2014 Z28 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 414	I'll repeat what was told to me by two dealers. They focus on the terms "racing or competitive driving may affect the warranty." In other words , don't go enter any "track attack" type events, etc. But both said that simply driving on a track does not void their obligations under the warranty. They also both said they will look at the damage and seek it's cause, if possible. If there's evidence you missed a couple of downshifts and over revved the motor, you've given them an opening to reject any warranty claim. My discussions with each dealer were in the context of "I am definitely going to take this car to the track. I won't race it or enter any competitive events. Will that void warranty work on the engine?" Both answered "No, but......." The reason I wanted to know is, if the warranty was getting voided anyway, I was going head first into modding the car with either heads, headers and a tune or pull the original motor intact and install a built motor. __________________ ERL 500 ci Short Block, 2in ARH Headers, TSP LS7 Heads, LSXR/NW 102, Forgeline, MGW Shifter, StopTech BBK, Pfadt C/O's, Pfadt ASB's, etc, PowerFab Dynotune

03-24-2015, 01:51 PM	#32
BaylorCamaro Track > 1/4 Mile Drives: 2016 C7 Z51 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: League City, TX Posts: 6,072 View My Garage	Unless I'm missing something here, why was the ECU flashed when there were no mods and on stock tune? __________________ Automotive YouTube Channel / Texas World Speedway / MSR Houston

03-24-2015, 03:18 PM	#34
1KillerSS Too much is never enough! Drives: AGP TT SS [COTW] 4/20/15 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 4,149 View My Garage	I hate to see this thread get derailed on the whole "what is and isn't covered under warranty discussion", correct me if I am wrong but I don't think that was the OP's intention. The bottom line and its in the manual. If they think its from abuse, they can void it, track use or street use. Just because two dealers say that tracking it alone won't void your warranty doesnt mean thats the the case. They could still call it competitive driving. There have been enough threads on this subject to know that they evaluate on an individual basis. Its my belief that driving the car hard on the street as like it is on the track alone is not considered abuse, clearly thats not the case. It cracks me up that a GM rep never steps in and comments on this subject, yet they are all over this forum. __________________ AGP TT kit, 54/57 Forged rotating assembly, Custom grind cam... Dual nozzle meth, ID850's, Livernois dual fuel pumps, ECS BAP, 25% UDP, 3 inch Magnaflow catback with X pipe, Mantic 9000 clutch, DSS 1000hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, ZL1 rear end, solid subframe bushings, HE differential offset bushings, BMR Trailing arm, BMR toe rods, Lingenfelter LNC-2000,SJM Line Lock. 747 whp 714wtq *Build thread* http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post8107855

03-24-2015, 01:08 PM	#30
MARKSTI Drives: 2015 z28 sold Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: As Posts: 80	THANKS for feedback guys The cars going in to the dealer shortly.. I would love to give more details, but am holding back due to the fact that Chevy hasn't given the green light on repairs. I am gonna push for a new motor on this one, not a patch job assuming its engine internal like it appears to be on this one.

03-24-2015, 03:21 PM	#35
backeddy Banned Drives: 2011 Boxster Spyder (best car ever) Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,529	I have a GMCS crystal ball and I hope I am wrong.......here it comes.....the GMCS "ABUSE" axe. Please let us know how this plays out.......

03-24-2015, 04:04 PM	#37
Qfastvette Drives: 2014 camaro Z/28 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bristow, VA Posts: 169	Its built for racing and that is what they advertise the car for to sell it. They race the shit out of them and if it was to be driven easy it would not be advertised for racing...