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Old 10-10-2015, 01:00 PM   #29
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Good deals for everyone. I love my Z/28, drive it to work every day I can.

Frankly, I have a strong dislike for forced induction; I hate the throttle response. I'm not interested in MAX POWER or any of that crap, I want what I want and what I want is big free revving n/a power. LS7 could have a lighter flywheel, but I'm sure in time I'll rectify that.

My initial concern too was the brake rotors, but as mine will never see the track I doubt I'll ever replace them. Trackdays are for motorcycles in my world, at least for now

I love this car, and much like my Toyota FJ, I will keep it until the sun swallows the earth.
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Old 10-10-2015, 02:13 PM   #30
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Good deals for everyone. I love my Z/28, drive it to work every day I can.

Frankly, I have a strong dislike for forced induction; I hate the throttle response. I'm not interested in MAX POWER or any of that crap, I want what I want and what I want is big free revving n/a power. LS7 could have a lighter flywheel, but I'm sure in time I'll rectify that.

My initial concern too was the brake rotors, but as mine will never see the track I doubt I'll ever replace them. Trackdays are for motorcycles in my world, at least for now

I love this car, and much like my Toyota FJ, I will keep it until the sun swallows the earth.

Well that's make sense.....by a 80k track car and drive it for your daily driver ...then say it's not a track car and you suggest only motorcycles should be on tracks. lol ok
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Old 10-10-2015, 02:38 PM   #31
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Well that's make sense.....by a 80k track car and drive it for your daily driver ...then say it's not a track car and you suggest only motorcycles should be on tracks. lol ok
He never once said it wasn't a good track car...he said track days for him consist of him riding his motorcycle.
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Old 10-10-2015, 06:58 PM   #32
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Well that's make sense.....by a 80k track car and drive it for your daily driver ...then say it's not a track car and you suggest only motorcycles should be on tracks. lol ok


Seriously sport, reading is fundamental.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:34 PM   #33
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Well that's make sense.....by a 80k track car and drive it for your daily driver ...then say it's not a track car and you suggest only motorcycles should be on tracks. lol ok
I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Convince any of us that a car ( the ZL1) any of us could have bought is a better car that what we bought. Sorry, but the Z/28 is a far superior car to the ZL1. I had a Shelby which would have killed a ZL1 in any performance test known to man...and the Z/28 is a better car than the Shelby, in all aspects..except for quarter mile times.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. GO DRIVE A Z/28 and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Not to mention, look at the two side by side. The Z/28 has something about it the ZL1 can't match.

The Z/28 wins competitions the ZL1 places low. This is for a reason. Until you realize that reason, your comments are moot. In other words, they mean nothing.
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:12 PM   #34
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I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Convince any of us that a car ( the ZL1) any of us could have bought is a better car that what we bought. Sorry, but the Z/28 is a far superior car to the ZL1. I had a Shelby which would have killed a ZL1 in any performance test known to man...and the Z/28 is a better car than the Shelby, in all aspects..except for quarter mile times.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. GO DRIVE A Z/28 and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Not to mention, look at the two side by side. The Z/28 has something about it the ZL1 can't match.

The Z/28 wins competitions the ZL1 places low. This is for a reason. Until you realize that reason, your comments are moot. In other words, they mean nothing.
Wow, such thin skin........
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Old 10-11-2015, 08:08 AM   #35
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It's comical how people tell others how they should utilize their car and then add in some ridicule in an attempt to make a point.

The second someone else pays for my z/28, I'll allow that person to dictate how I should or should not drive it.
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:18 AM   #36
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All these ZL1 guys trolling the Z/28 forum are kind of pathetic.

I have never even looked at the ZL1 forum because I have no interest in the car and I don't feel a need to justify my choice to buy a Z/28 to guys that don't really care.

I drove a ZL1 before I bought my Z/28 and was completely underwhelmed by the experience. I've tried to be polite and diplomatic in the past and say it's a great car, but my real opinion is that it's not. The difference is, I don't find it necessary to go on the ZL1 forum to express that opinion.

I know that you guys CAN pollute these threads, I just don't know why you DO...



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Old 10-11-2015, 10:58 AM   #37
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Relax...Chill.
They are both Camaros and they are both great cars.
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Old 10-11-2015, 11:37 AM   #38
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Is it 15% off MSRP?

If so that puts you at $65K or does the dealer get 15% off of what they paid so there is still additional room to negotiate? and why we are seeing some advertised in the low 50s?
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15% off of MSRP. $72k X's .15%= $10.8k

$72k-$10.8k=$61.2k

Some dealers are even putting an extra few $1,000 on top of the 15% to move these things.

As I said, these GM discounts only run until next Monday the 12th. I have seen none that have been in the low $50k's. Perhaps used, but not new.
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The lowest prices do reflect "Select Market Discount' rebates, where the buyer has to live (presumably title the car) in the 'select market'. I talked with Phillips about the silver '15 at the end of July. They were not able to give me that discount because I didn't live in 'Chicagoland'. They gave me some other rebates. but not the advertised price. I got hit with this same exclusion with the Z that I ultimately bought in AL. So, it's a GM policy/program, not the dealer.

BTW, the silver one at Phillips had 2mi on it in at the end of July, 15. It was outside (as shown in the pic) but otherwise looked good. It does have AC. Phillips has/had three 15s (red, white, and silver) and the red 14. Phillips have had consistently lower prices on all 4 since I began looking at 15 Z's around Chicago. For whatever reason, Chicago seemed to have a 'selection' (7-8) of Z's at lower prices. All the dealers were advertising prices with 2-5 stacked rebates that any given buyer may or may not qualify.
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Sticker price on my Z/28 was $76xxx ?

I do see the Chevy website say $72xxx now but it includes $3xxx in cash back?
Current untitled Z/28's are currently available (and quite common) between $55k-60k depending on the dealer selling, your state of residence, private offers and "free" GM card. There is no indication that this will change before January 1st and will actually drop even further as end of year incentives increase. Are you going to walk into your local dealer and see some sticker at 60k or less as a window shopper internet troll? Doubtful. If you are serious about purchasing, perform due diligence, research and available in your state, then you will have no trouble finding one under 60k.
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Old 10-11-2015, 12:28 PM   #39
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I think I answered this question once before. It wouldn't change my mind, especially if I desired a ZL1 before and after the Z28. Now if I wanted a Z28 but couldn't pull the price tag then the 20K price drop would be nice.

But given the same buying opportunity that I had almost two years ago, I'd still choose the ZL. Z28 will need to get back to basics and become more user friendly in order to gain greater sales and acceptance. Don't get me wrong, its an outstanding performer, but the price and timing just wasn't there for the Z28. The 1LE really owned the track prepped Camaro niche IMO (ZLs are no slouches, but the ZL is the best all around Camaro IMO).
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Old 10-11-2015, 12:30 PM   #40
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This one has been sitting at one of our local dealerships for a loooong time. They put this on it earlier this week.
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Old 10-11-2015, 12:41 PM   #41
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Z28 will need to get back to basics and become more user friendly in order to gain greater sales and acceptance.
Can you explain what you mean by this? I certainly don't want my z28 to be basic. The user friendly comment throws me off too.

I get why some people prefer the zL1 and I would buy a zL1 as a stable mate for my z28 if a had room for another new car. If I had to pick just one, it would be the z28.
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Old 10-11-2015, 02:20 PM   #42
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^Basics like not being so exclusive. It should be a model that most camaro fans can and would want to own.

On the one hand, I understand why the Z/28 was so exclusive this time around. Z28 was a long in the tooth and abused moniker, so much so that it went hardly noticed by the time the Camaro line went extinct in '02. IMO Chevy wanted to make a big splash and generate interest in the latest Z28 model, so we saw this new version with all exclusive material such as the engine, suspension and body work. It made a great image, but it appeared that Chevy had trouble moving them at the 75K price point.

I am suggesting that Chevy would make the theme and make up of the model simpler (more in line with the 1/LE) so that more enthusiasts could enjoy a Z/28. It is a lot harder to justify 75k and up to regular Chevy customers that are not used to spending that amount on a Chevy product.

But....on the other hand..........look around you.....almost all of GM's nameplates have a model at or near $75k. Price exclusiveness no longer is owned by Cadillac. Everything seems to be more expensive.
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