Im off the wagon!

[big_dog]

hey, if you drive the speed limit you could get more mpg...but come to think of it...that might be kind of hard with a 416 hp 6.2-liter V8 under the hood

[blackgloves]

wow... this thread was taken to waaaay left field and Im gonna try and bring it back to the original topic.

I can afford a new Camaro. And I would never buy one other than a V8 powered one. though the V6 sounds like a catch. Id be thinking the entire time "man I shoulda just bought a LS3"

Im not getting one because Im not sure where gas prices are gonna be 3 or 4 years down the road. Also whos to say that the government or whatever wont force Americans to own an electric or alternative fuel car by (example and example only) 2018? I can pay off my Cobalt faster than a new Camaro and it gets better on gas. Also performance parts are cheaper (LS motors are always expensive to build up)

I live on post, and only drive about a 5 mile (at most) round trip from my house to my work place. its not about the cost of the car. its about possibly paying close to a $100 to fill it up. That and buying something you know your gonna have to turn around and sell or get rid of. I have even considered buying that Civic that gets like 40+ mpg. But in the end I dont wanna buy something new. I wanna pay off quickly and save.

Ive heard rumors about getting "gas tickets" where your only allowed so much fuel a week/month. Standing in line for groceries and getting "food tickets" which would mean you only get so much on groceries a month depending on how big your family is

im gonna hold off. as I said I have 3 more years on my SC'd Cobalt when I get back from Iraq. That gives me 3 years to see if buying a LS3 Camaro is a wise choice or not. I get back in FEB of 2009 from Iraq, things could change between now and then too.

[stovt001]

Well I think those stories are a little out there for now, but I can certainly see that happening farther in the future if we don't insist on elected officials actually sticking to the constitution (which to be fair I don't think either party does). The government definitely oversteps its constitutional authority and certainly wants to overstep it even more, but its not that bad yet, and for now people won't let it get that bad. We just have to demonstrate outrage whenever they try and vote only for those who will actually respect the constitution. Both major parties have people like that, but they're rare. Demand your freedoms, and settle for nothing less.

[chevydude26]

Originally Posted by blackgloves

wow... this thread was taken to waaaay left field and Im gonna try and bring it back to the original topic.

I can afford a new Camaro. And I would never buy one other than a V8 powered one. though the V6 sounds like a catch. Id be thinking the entire time "man I shoulda just bought a LS3"

Im not getting one because Im not sure where gas prices are gonna be 3 or 4 years down the road. Also whos to say that the government or whatever wont force Americans to own an electric or alternative fuel car by (example and example only) 2018? I can pay off my Cobalt faster than a new Camaro and it gets better on gas. Also performance parts are cheaper (LS motors are always expensive to build up)

I live on post, and only drive about a 5 mile (at most) round trip from my house to my work place. its not about the cost of the car. its about possibly paying close to a $100 to fill it up. That and buying something you know your gonna have to turn around and sell or get rid of. I have even considered buying that Civic that gets like 40+ mpg. But in the end I dont wanna buy something new. I wanna pay off quickly and save.

Ive heard rumors about getting "gas tickets" where your only allowed so much fuel a week/month. Standing in line for groceries and getting "food tickets" which would mean you only get so much on groceries a month depending on how big your family is

im gonna hold off. as I said I have 3 more years on my SC'd Cobalt when I get back from Iraq. That gives me 3 years to see if buying a LS3 Camaro is a wise choice or not. I get back in FEB of 2009 from Iraq, things could change between now and then too.

as far as the gas tickets we would riot if the government started imposing regulations like that that would have a fat chance of ever getting through congress

and you gotta do what you feel is best for you...how much utility you have for the car and is it worth spending the extra for it...

its always the best financial choice to keep a car you don't have to make payments on...always...

so its up to you and judging by what your saying maybe wait for the year after or 2 and see how your situation and the gas situation changes

while its the greatest car ever in my opinion....ultimately a car is a car no matter what and the point is to get you from point a to point b

and man the food tickets...geez your describing the soviet union...no way in america would we ever experience something like that unless...

well obama gets elected (i kid i kid...or do i?)

[Muscle Master]

Today's congress is way better than, when the Damn corrupt republicans had control, And look at the big picture, cant just vote for some guy cause he thinks he can lower gas prices, what about health care, welfare, schools, etc....

If you vote for somebody just so you can spend less money driving a damn car....your a Damn Fool!!!!!

[Myka]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Today's congress is way better than, when the Damn corrupt republicans had control, And look at the big picture, cant just vote for some guy cause he thinks he can lower gas prices, what about health care, welfare, schools, etc....

If you vote for somebody just so you can spend less money driving a damn car....your a Damn Fool!!!!!

Today's congress has a 9% approval rating. Just in case you're wondering, that percentage is BEFORE everyone except them wanted to drill. I can't imagine what it's going to be now..

[LegacyZ28]

Originally Posted by Myka

Today's congress has a 9% approval rating. Just in case you're wondering, that percentage is BEFORE everyone except them wanted to drill. I can't imagine what it's going to be now..

With todays divisive politics, it's going to be a low approval unless there is a 60 vote margin on either side. If we had a republican controlled senate with 52 to 48 it would be just as low, you can't get anything done with a 3 vote margin, not in todays politics.
Being democrat or republican has nothing to do with it, democrats can't pass liberal bills, republicans can't pass conservative bills, no one is happy.if there was a 60 vote margin, it would probably be 40-60% approval, but not everyone will ever be happy.
Let me add that it's even worse when the president is of a different part than congress, such as now, that makes it impossible to get a lot done.

I think we need a politics forum....
sub forum in off topic...

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by LegacyZ28

With todays divisive politics, it's going to be a low approval unless there is a 60 vote margin on either side. If we had a republican controlled senate with 52 to 48 it would be just as low, you can't get anything done with a 3 vote margin, not in todays politics.
Being democrat or republican has nothing to do with it, democrats can't pass liberal bills, republicans can't pass conservative bills, no one is happy.if there was a 60 vote margin, it would probably be 40-60% approval, but not everyone will ever be happy.
Let me add that it's even worse when the president is of a different part than congress, such as now, that makes it impossible to get a lot done.

I think we need a politics forum....
sub forum in off topic...

It's impossible to get anything done whatever the circumstances, the problem is lifetime politicians slopping at the trough of public funds. Couple that with a Supreme Court that barely recognizes that we have a Constitution and you have a ready made situation for disaster. It's become a "citizens be damned, we'll do what we want" scenario rather than acting to preserve our rights and freedoms and allowing us "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Our Armed Forces protect us, our politicians ruin us.
Clyde

[Cubanaso]

I feel your pain, trust me...it's all over this forum...lol. BUT, like they have told you...just give it a bit more before pulling the trigger.

I understand you, I got a chunky 2 1/2 year old that eats and poops like a 6-5 250 pound LB (which it looks like he might shape up to be, lol) so my goal is also to save as much money as I can so fuel economy is VERY VERY important and while I'm a major sports car guy, as painful as it is to say this, there are more important things to worry about in this life (note to mods: don't ban me please...lol).

BUT AGAIN, just hold on a bit longer to see what the beast can do regarding fuel economy.

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!!

[therealkitt]

Originally Posted by chevydude26

you've got it backwards ...no disrespect...mccain wants to drill for more oil...obama doesn't

obama stated he was okay with the price of oil he just thought it would happen more gradually and they only want alternative fuels which will take decades to have an effect

mccain wants both drilling and alternative fuels...how again would a mccain win bring about higher gas prices???

no more on this political subject on this forum from me i just had to address that comment

well i'm sort of in the same boat...but i won't let gas prices prevent me from getting this car. i was thinking about waiting another year and getting a the Volt when it comes out....but as luck would have it, my new job is only 5.5 miles from home, so gas won't kill me...

as far as the digging off shore...that's a joke, just like mccain's gas tax holiday, which in fact congress has essentially just decided to raise it by 10 cents...so that subject is dead in the water.... and even if congress allowed off shore drilling, it's not some snap of your fingers fix. it'll take TONS of time to get it rolling. you have the discovery period, and then you have to get all the equipment setup. it will literally be years before we would ever see a drop from this idea.

...on another note...gas has not peaked. demand is going up, and supply is nearly at it's peak. gas supply will dwindle, and demand will still be there.unfortunately, gas prices need to continue to go up, so that we're forced into finding another way. i'm with obama...in that let the futures market do what it will with oil, and let's work our asses off to find alternates. hell the chevy volt could be nearly free to drive if you rig up a solar panel on top of it.

[Chemical]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

Global warming is a repeating phenomenon that happens in cycles of over 10k years. The last time it happened, there was not the additional variable of human pollution. This variable will make the global warming happen sooner, last longer, and become more severe at its peak, destroying more of civilization. We do not know how much more because this has not happened before, but we do know it will me more. It might only be by a negligible amount.

As for the oil problem, you can bet that oil will come back in a long time as quoted above. The problem I have with putting so much faith in this process is that we can drain Earth of its oil if we keep using it. There is no reason why we shouldn't use alternative innovations that reduce oil consumption and dependence. If we suck the Earth dry of oil without making another form of energy production the primary means of production, then we will face civilization-threatening catastrophe. We're talking about riots, revolutions, famine, urban decay, the collapse of the nation-state system, war, and genocide. It will be a bad era after the end of oil. We should make oil a secondary resource by investing in alternatives. Right now, ethanol research has proven that corn stalk, a wasted resource since it is not currently used for anything, can make ethanol. If every one of us used E85, our dependence on oil would be scarce in comparison to today's standards. It is possible with the implementation of ethanol from sources like corn, soy, sugar, and waste products. Research is moving very quickly in these categories, and we should be encouraging this research by implementing ethanol as a way to stay away from OPEC resources.

I do completely agree with the part that some way some how we as humans need to develope an alternate source of fuel. It does not need to be as fast as people want/need it to be.

We are not running out of oil, there is enought supply to last us for the next 200 years. Thats considering:
1. Keeping the rate at which oil is conssumed by the world population.
2. Supply we are currently drilling.

I'm a student in Chemical/Petroluem Engineering, and my professor who is an analyst at Exxon Mobile gave us this information.

All we need is to gradually remove or dependency from oil less and less every year.

[shadowed_Stranger]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

It's impossible to get anything done whatever the circumstances, the problem is lifetime politicians slopping at the trough of public funds. Couple that with a Supreme Court that barely recognizes that we have a Constitution and you have a ready made situation for disaster. It's become a "citizens be damned, we'll do what we want" scenario rather than acting to preserve our rights and freedoms and allowing us "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Our Armed Forces protect us, our politicians ruin us.
Clyde

I am only 18 and it is scaring the shit out of me. Government should be downsized so much, that is what a free market is. No alternative fuel government crap, gas has risen and people driven less. Companies like tesla have started making electric cars decent (I only said decent, dont worry xD) That is what a free market is goddamnit. And as far as government sponsorship required to make big companies do it, again BULLSHIT. Necessity is the mother of invention, if gas gets higher people will find a way, if not I will love my camaro on $4 a gallon xD

[Fandango]

Oh man we managed to screw up the world in about 150 years and it took like 4.5 billion years to make it this way. What a crock. Did you know what you can see Al Gore's lights from Space? You can charge a cell phone with his ass.

Look if gas it stopping you from buying this car, don't buy a CAR. Mini Cooper, gets 35 mpg on the highway, costs as much as a new Camaro. Prius gets less and it's a Hybrid and its more expensive. FACT, I get 30 mpg on the highway with my Dad's Tahoe with the AFM. Fall off the wagon? You may need it if you can't afford Gas.

Don't listen to Speculation, It's assumption, which is like ASSUME? Right? MAKE AN ASS OUT OF U & ME? The world is fickle. We don't understand the earth. For those of you who cry gas, and I was one of you once. I'm a recovering gas is evil post crapaholic. Please listen:

35 miles to the gallon at 5 bucks x 1000 miles a month. That's 28.6 gallons and 143.00 bucks. Get half the economy and you spend $286.00. You argue that oh I'm spending twice as much! Well, Take what you would spend with 143.00 a month. Take what you would save and spend it where? For us Married guys that's two nights of fine dining and you've spent that 143.00. Oh and if you where married to my wife, more like 1.5 nights or one if I take her to Sushi. So, got to put the foot down. Se we sacrifice 2 nights a month of going out. Or you can cut out the bud and go for some natty light for you un-married blokes. You wanna help the environment? Give and take, balance. Ride a bike. You wanna save gas? Don't drive. You don't buy a car for Point A to B do you? IF that were the case, there would only be one type of car. A car is an extension of self.

Question, if a tree falls in the wood and no one is around to hear it, did it make a sound?

If there is oil and no one drills for it, is it really there?? NO SHIT ITS THERE!!!

Point is until we squeeze every last drop, we won't stop. The world is not low on energy, THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE CONTROLLING IT! COMUNISM. Let the people have it. When we run out, we will use something else. Until then, PERFECT the solution instead of killing it! I gather we got some 110 years left of dino crud. 110 ten years ago fellas, we didn't have a car. In 110 years we will have Cold Fusion cars with 1000 year cells.

And one final question: If you really can't $150 extra a month? Why do you have that cellphone with unlimitted internet, texting, e-mail, or that $5 cup of coffee every other day.

NOTE: This message is not directed soley at thread starter. This is to hopefully bring and end to the mindless debate of gas and energy. There is a place for those kinds of debates. This is CAMARO enthusiast webiste. We come here to support and praise the American car. Our issues should be kept to color choices, engine spec, interior, bumpers, headlights, and whether or not our haid will catch fire at top speeds. Please understand that there is a price and a cost to everything. Cost is the issue. Not price. Please note this gas thing COSTS moral. Our American automakers need pleanty of it. If youa are a Camaro fan you should be Saying, "Bring it on! Give me Fuel, give me Fire give me that which I desire...prices smrices. I don't care if my car gets 10 mpg on the highway. I am getting a Camaro for the sake of buying a Camaro!

Vote Republican.

[Scotsman]

Hmm. Could have waited. Shame.