Pics of our Coolingmist Methanol system install on street brawler package

[Slowhawk]

Very nice Ted.

The biggest benefit of the methenol is keeping out heat soak which Magnachargers are known for(along with most blowers).You would notice the benefit more by doing 3 back/back pulls.The power will drop without methenol but with it the power will drop just alittle.It also helps ALOT on hot days.

If it was up to me every supercharged car would run methenol and most of our customers do.The kit's are very reliable and the methenol use is minimul on DD cars.This is how you see a ton of 600-700rwhp stock longblock blower cars staying together.

As for Methenol eating the blowers? -Yes it does eat the rotors on Magnachargers.Takes a long time to show wear though.I've seen some cars that have run it for 3-4 years and the rotors are pitted/brittle from the methenol.Don't know about the newer magnachargers yet.

[Z_Rocks]

Ted, where are you injecting it? Before MAF sensor or after? Are you also calculating the change of IAT for the tune in case the meth stops working?

Is there any way to inject it after the air has passed through the heat exchanger? I'm not sure [in long run] how much damage will do to the S/C internal and heat exchanger by passing through. In my Centri and TT cars, I've injected it after MAF straight into the intake manifold.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

Ted, where are you injecting it? Before MAF sensor or after? Are you also calculating the change of IAT for the tune in case the meth stops working?

Is there any way to inject it after the air has passed through the heat exchanger? I'm not sure [in long run] how much damage will do to the S/C internal and heat exchanger by passing through. In my Centri and TT cars, I've injected it after MAF straight into the intake manifold.

I am spraying before the TB, the Air Intake temp sensor on the magnacharger is located in the base manifold so it see the tempurature and I calculated the timing difference based on IAT.

Again I have to see for my self of any damage caused by Meth or Water meth on rotors in a blower.

Unless it leaks in to the blower and sits there for months I don't see how it could do any damage and Have yet to see any EVER.

[Mzodarg]

Ted,
Chill My Brother, I was concerned if this would affect warranty- Magnason says yes, and you are about to blow a vein. I did not ask the question, questioning what you do, I would still do it, and am going to real soon. As a consumer we have the right to know the whole story. Respect that you have never seen it. Evidently someone has and it has been determine to be due to Meth.


As an added comment. I could care less about a warranty, I know there are those here who do.

Sorry to get your BP up, was not my intent. I have nothing but respect for what you do!

Mike

[boostedyards86]

Originally Posted by SRT10KLLR

Here is a quote from one manufacturer: "Performance: Water absorbs twice as much heat as methanol in the intake and inside the combustion chamber." also "The water provides the primary cooling effect due to its great density and high heat absorption properties.".

It has been discussed before on other forums and adding more water cools better and adding more meth increases octane.

yes but water is useless in the combustion chamber it takes up space that could otherwise be filled with air and fuel. if your using anything less than 75meth 25water I HAVE NEVER SEEN an increase in power. I would always take the increased octane and run leaner with more timing...or more boost than spray in something that will actually take the place of fuel and air... once again this is my opinion and what i have seen through my own personal testing on countless cars.

[chappy48]

Originally Posted by Mzodarg

Ted,
Chill My Brother, I was concerned if this would affect warranty- Magnason says yes, and you are about to blow a vein. I did not ask the question, questioning what you do, I would still do it, and am going to real soon. As a consumer we have the right to know the whole story. Respect that you have never seen it. Evidently someone has and it has been determine to be due to Meth.


As an added comment. I could care less about a warranty, I know there are those here who do.

Sorry to get your BP up, was not my intent. I have nothing but respect for what you do!

Mike

I can almost guarantee it wasn't directed at you, but at magnuson. I bet the warranty goes away if you replace the 3.8 pulley with the 3.6.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Mzodarg

Ted,
Chill My Brother, I was concerned if this would affect warranty- Magnason says yes, and you are about to blow a vein. I did not ask the question, questioning what you do, I would still do it, and am going to real soon. As a consumer we have the right to know the whole story. Respect that you have never seen it. Evidently someone has and it has been determine to be due to Meth.


As an added comment. I could care less about a warranty, I know there are those here who do.

Sorry to get your BP up, was not my intent. I have nothing but respect for what you do!

Mike

It is All Good My Friend, The key board is deceiving you.

[Gotthat02fire]

I'm a little confused about how this works??? Is it any thing like nitrous?? This just gives you a higher octane on demand of the go peddel?? What is the diffrance between meth and NOS sorry for the stuipd question just never seen this before! By the way nice numbers don't get how this works but good numbers!!!!

[Mzodarg]

No expert, but from my understanding: It is a good way to help cool the intake air temperature and it also raises the octane level. These two reasons are why you can run a little more boost and timing.

Ted- How did I do?

[mtcwby]

Originally Posted by boostedyards86

i run the aem methanol kit on my camaro...with a 3.6" pulley we put down 580whp seeing only 6psi with my setup. Pretty good imo. I have always been a firm believer in methanol with superchargers. However I would have to disagree on the more water = more cooling idea...ever spill methanol on ur skin by accident...cold huh? Save your time and money and spray 100% methanol. just becareful of rising egt's. since its a higher octane you can run leaner with more timing....but methanol has a much richer stoich ratio which means you will actually be running chemically leaner than what your wideband may be reading. And this in turn can cause high egt's. AND NEVER LET IT RUN OUT.

Methanol doesn't cause higher EGT's. I have been running Snow Performances Meth injection on my Dodge diesel for 2 yrs. It lowers my EGT's by as much as 300 degrees and boosts HP by up to 70. The whole reason I put it on my pickup is for pulling the high elevation passes in CO with an 18,000 lb trailer. I'm pushing 45 lbs of boost and my egt's were shooting through the roof with the steep grades, the meth injection lowered them back to acceptable ranges and helps me pull the 12,000 ft passes at 70 mph
with a trailer. I am using winter formula windshield washer fluid that is rated at -25 degrees. It is aprox 50% methanol and it can be bought for as little as 99 cents a gallon. Don't use the -30 degree formula, as it contains glycol with the methanol. Check the label.

[hot ss]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Have you checked with MagnaCharger on whether it is a good idea or not to spray meth into their blower? I know some blower rotors are coated and the methanol can quickly eat away at the lining and fubar your high-dollar blower. If so, it would not be covered under any warranty offered by the supercharger manufacturer.

meth doesnt eat the blower coating, fuel does, like a wet kit. i have an 06 car i spray meth before the blower, and nitrous after, and after 3 years i pulled the blower, and if anything the meth/water keeps the blower clean as a whistle. meth lets you run 91 octane under normal load conditions, and adds 120 octane under heavy boost. way cheaper than full time race fuel. even if your injectors are almost static, you can use meth as the fuel to compensate for the lack of injector size. you can run up to 90% meth. 10 % water. you need some water mixed to keep the meth from being highly flammable.
i buy 99.9% pure methanol, and mix to match my tune.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Gotthat02fire

I'm a little confused about how this works??? Is it any thing like nitrous?? This just gives you a higher octane on demand of the go peddel?? What is the diffrance between meth and NOS sorry for the stuipd question just never seen this before! By the way nice numbers don't get how this works but good numbers!!!!

Methanol Injection is several things in this instance, A Very affective way to lower Charge Air Temps, Octane Adder, Fuel suppliment, and Engine Carbon Cleaner.

When Meth hits incoming air charge before the throttle body under High pressure of the pump and nozzle, it converts from a Liquid to a gas, anyone who paid attention is science class Knows How much it can drop Air temps Below Ambient.
The colder the Air entering the blower the colder it will be exiting the blower, Artificial Refrigerator

Know one Really Knows the exact Octane of Methanol, Estimates range from a low of 120 to a high of 140 Octane, What is Octane?, the ability of a given fuel to resist detonation, This allows us to run a little more timing which keeps EGTs down and a lot more Boost On Pump Gas, also more consistant power the longer your in the throttle.

It is starting to be widely known that the factory fuel system can support right at about 600 Crank Horsepower, then fuel pressure starts to drop off from about 5000 RPM and Up, we saw this on this car, at 11.5 A/F without the Meth, We then back off the Commanded A/F to 12.5 which in turn takes some demand off the fuel pump and maintains fuel pressure just about to redline, then let the Meth bring the A/F back down to 11.5 A/F, this is the fuel suppliment part.

We do like a little water in the mix, About 10% to Help Keep combustion Chambers Sparkling Clean, it does this with Steam generated buring the water, a Clean combustion Chamber is a Powerful one.

Thank you all for your interest in this system.

Ted.

[Rookie13]

The only questions not answered - here is one example from AEM.

Water / Methanol Injection Kit
HD Water/Methanol Injection Kit with 5-Gallon Tank
30-3001 $473.00
Recirculation-Style Water/Methanol Injection HD Pump
30-3014 $179.77
Recirculation-Style Water/Methanol Injection Standard Pump
30-3013 $137.55
Water Injection Nozzle Kit
30-3012 $74.25
Water/Methanol Injection 1 Gallon Tank
30-3011 $106.52
Water/Methanol Injection 5 Gallon Tank
30-3010 $187.50
Water/Methanol Injection Kit with 1-Gallon Tank
30-3000 $377.54
Water/Methanol Injection Pump & Jet Kit
30-3002 $373.95

...and a bit of their philospohy.

HOW IT WORKS

Once the AEM Water/Methanol Kit is installed, a boost-dependent, variable-flow progressive controller allows the user to determine the amount of water/methanol mixture (up to 50%) to feed into the inlet stream from the fluid reservoir. The controller commands a high-pressure, recirculation-style 150-PSI pump that delivers the mixture. Overall flow adjustments at the inlet are made via one of three different-sized jets (included) that are designed to match most engine power requirements.

RECIRCULATION-STYLE PUMP

AEM's recirculation-style pump offers improved performance, reliability and a much smoother, quieter operation when compared to older switched-style pumps. With the use of a new internal bypass design, AEM's upgraded pump eliminates erratic on and off switching/pulsing and ensures consistent fluid delivery for optimum performance. With durability and reliability in mind, AEM has designed the pump with a Santoprene diaphragm and EPDM seals to withstand the harshest of alcohol mixes.

Just wish I didn't have to spend $7K on a Supercharger to add this to my Camaro. Friggin Sweet!!!

[Gotthat02fire]

Thanks for the info!!! Did this Camaro also get a cam??? Will this set up work with a Cam and Blower set up??? What would be an estimated hp and torque #'s be if this can be done?? Maybe this would be a possiblity for my car huh Ted!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Methanol Injection is several things in this instance, A Very affective way to lower Charge Air Temps, Octane Adder, Fuel suppliment, and Engine Carbon Cleaner.

When Meth hits incoming air charge before the throttle body under High pressure of the pump and nozzle, it converts from a Liquid to a gas, anyone who paid attention is science class Knows How much it can drop Air temps Below Ambient.
The colder the Air entering the blower the colder it will be exiting the blower, Artificial Refrigerator

Know one Really Knows the exact Octane of Methanol, Estimates range from a low of 120 to a high of 140 Octane, What is Octane?, the ability of a given fuel to resist detonation, This allows us to run a little more timing which keeps EGTs down and a lot more Boost On Pump Gas, also more consistant power the longer your in the throttle.

It is starting to be widely known that the factory fuel system can support right at about 600 Crank Horsepower, then fuel pressure starts to drop off from about 5000 RPM and Up, we saw this on this car, at 11.5 A/F without the Meth, We then back off the Commanded A/F to 12.5 which in turn takes some demand off the fuel pump and maintains fuel pressure just about to redline, then let the Meth bring the A/F back down to 11.5 A/F, this is the fuel suppliment part.

We do like a little water in the mix, About 10% to Help Keep combustion Chambers Sparkling Clean, it does this with Steam generated buring the water, a Clean combustion Chamber is a Powerful one.

Thank you all for your interest in this system.

Ted.