Radar Detector

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by PA FAST

It's simple, I rather take a match to my paycheck then pay for a ticket. It's stupid, but thats how I feel. I hate State Troopers and I hate traffic cops, if I had to spend $5,000 to be insured that they never get their hands on my money I would. Not to mention if I get a ticket in Pennsylvania it's points on my license.

I like to drive fast, but I am afraid to do more than 75 MPH because of these cops, especially since I am in my 20's the cops are out to bust my ass. I just want to do between 80-100 MPH (When the weather and traffic permit) without worry. If I want to go faster I will take it to the track. The detector would be fine for me but like divvichild said, once you detect the laser it's too late. This is why a Jammer is necessary.

Not neccessary. Not at all necessary. You do realize (and bear with me) that what you just posted is WHY cops are "out to get you"? I assumed those were the speeds you wanted to cruise at, too. Why not slow down to 70-75? There's not a single reason I can imagine that you could present besides "I want to" that makes sense against all the reasons for driving the limit or slightly above.

And I'm in your age-group, too...so this isn't coming from some old geezer (no offense to anyone)

[PA FAST]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Not neccessary. Not at all necessary. You do realize (and bear with me) that what you just posted is WHY cops are "out to get you"? I assumed those were the speeds you wanted to cruise at, too. Why not slow down to 70-75? There's not a single reason I can imagine that you could present besides "I want to" that makes sense against all the reasons for driving the limit or slightly above.

And I'm in your age-group, too...so this isn't coming from some old geezer (no offense to anyone)

I am curious, what are the reasons the cops are out to get me? Is it because I am 22 and they want to teach me a lesson for being young? Mind you I never got a speeding ticket in the 6 years I have been driving, and have never had any points on my license.

Yes, I want to cruise at those speeds, but I can't for the obvious reasons. If I had the time to slow down once I detected the laser that would be fine, but it has been stated by time you detect the beam and take appropriate action the cops will be pulling you over.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I don't think you're following me...

Originally Posted by PA FAST

I am curious what are the reasons the cops are out to get me? Is it because I am 22 and they want to teach me a lesson for being young? Mind you I never got a speeding ticket in the 6 years I have been driving, and have never had any points on my license.

Not because of your age...but because of your demeaner. Such a one that fits the stereotypical 18-25 year-old (Insurance premiums anyone?)

-You want to cruise on a public highway at 100mph. Which - whether you agree or no; is unsafe to you and the drivers around you unless your car is attached to the roadway via rails.

-You don't like police officers (for whatever reasons), and would probably scoff at anything they say or do. I'd be inclined to assume you don't like authority of any kind because they're "out to get you"...but I've assumed too much already, I just wanted to throw that out there.

Yes, I want to cruse at those speeds, but I can't for the obvious reasons. If I had the time to slow down once I detected the laser that would be fine, but it has been stated by time you detect the beam and take appropriate action the cops will be pulling you over.
Which I'd support them in doing. My point was not "Why not slow down when the detecter tells you". It was why not slow down altogether? What is the point at going that fast down a public highway? Some thrill? Do you like scaring the piss out of other drivers, as well as increasing their danger (which is already high enough being on a roadway)? Do you like wasting gas like you drive a 60s pickup truck? [/quote]

[PA FAST]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I don't think you're following me...

Not because of your age...but because of your demeaner. Such a one that fits the stereotypical 18-25 year-old (Insurance premiums anyone?)

-You want to cruise on a public highway at 100mph. Which - whether you agree or no; is unsafe to you and the drivers around you unless your car is attached to the roadway via rails.

-You don't like police officers (for whatever reasons), and would probably scoff at anything they say or do. I'd be inclined to assume you don't like authority of any kind because they're "out to get you"...but I've assumed too much already, I just wanted to throw that out there.

Yes, I want to cruse at those speeds, but I can't for the obvious reasons. If I had the time to slow down once I detected the laser that would be fine, but it has been stated by time you detect the beam and take appropriate action the cops will be pulling you over.
Which I'd support them in doing. My point was not "Why not slow down when the detecter tells you". It was why not slow down altogether? What is the point at going that fast down a public highway? Some thrill? Do you like scaring the piss out of other drivers, as well as increasing their danger (which is already high enough being on a roadway)? Do you like wasting gas like you drive a 60s pickup truck?

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Now it makes sense, thanks for clarifying.

First for starters am I wrong in assuming that cops are out to get me due to my age? If I am wrong I will eat my words, thats how you learn anyway (By being wrong). How I see it they are out to get me, from my own experiences and experiences of my friends/family who drive. Plus cops are hypocrites and liars.

First they are supposed to enforce the speed limit, but whenever they get a chance they go much faster than the speed limit. Understandable when they are on call, but they seem to do it all the time on the highway. Don't you think law enforcement should set a good example by not running lights and staying within 5-10 MPH of the speed limit?

I also call cops liars from personal experience. About 2 years ago my family was driving home from NY after picking up our pets (A friend was watching them while we were on vacation). The A/C wasn't working and it was 80+, and we were stuck in traffic for hours. While in NJ my father decided to go 77 MPH to get home faster since our pets were very uncomfortable in the car. A state trooper pulled him over and told him he was doing 82 MPH. Total BS since he never went above 77 MPH, I was watching from the passenger seat. This was the first speeding ticket he got in 25 years of driving.

I have many other stories of how law enforcement lied, or otherwise mistreated friends or family of mine, but I am already writing too much.

The stereotype that mostly younger people speed is also total BS IMO. Right now I am in South Carolina on vacation, and on the way down dozens of people from southern states (Especially the people from Florida) were doing 20-30 MPH above the speed limit. Many of the drivers were older people, well into their 60's.

Again as I stated I enjoy driving fast. Other people do it (Cops, people from Florida, etc) and I want to also. I am not concerned about gas prices, I drive a 4 cylinder car most of the time and a Camaro to me would only be a fun car I would drive during my free time when the weather is nice. However, I take offense to you believing I get a thrill out of terrifying people. I just enjoy driving fast, I shouldn't have to explain myself since plenty of other people do it and get away with it due to their position in society or age.

As you can see I am not a rarity, a whole industry has developed to counter law enforcement.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by divvichild

I don't in any way condone speeding, but we all do it. Especially here in California, which is exactly like you mention in Florida, everyone drives above the speed limit. However, when driving a sports car, you are definitely more scrutinized then other motorists, and will be targeted first. Anyway, once you get hit with laser, if you employ the technique correctly, you slow down anyway, and the officer has accomplished his objective, to make the world a safer place.

An officer can write you a ticket for doing 4 over the speed limit. Its not unusual for Leos to sit on the side of the freeway near the end of the month and just pull over random vehicles for speeding even though they were just going with the flow of traffic, nothing faster.

I live in California where jammers are illegal, so I'm in no way partial to using them. Just offering information to others.

Agreed, and you seem well versed and make a good point, and I enjoy hearing all sides of the matter. The fact is I am sure there are officers who may approach a situation in a different manner on certain vehicles. I do my best not too...I consider giving people 40 over the limit VERY generous...and If I catch ya doing 90, well then you are going to get a ticket. You may be in a beat down buick or you may in a brand new BMW...we all do speed, we all do 10-15 over...and generally someone with a good attitude would never get a ticket from me for that. I know it is against florida law to set "quotas" on any law enforcement officer....maybe california is different, but that seems unethical and I assume those are often rumors. It is known across the country troopers focus on traffic and generally issue more cites, that doesnt mean they have quotas. We set up stings at random with no adverse consequence if we don't issue a citation. My department encourages us to make frequent traffic stops and does not dictate the amount of citations issues, there are some nights I issue 0.

But the fact of the matter is..if you are going THAT fast so often that you need a jammer...the one topic I do not agree on is that you learned your lesson by your jammer going off.....no sir, you did not. I mean absolutely no disrespect to you, just a heartfelt debate....however, if your jammer does the work and you "think" they learned their lesson...no, because they will do it the very next day on the way to work and will rely on the jammer. The jammer WILL NOT save your life when you lose control of your vehicle at 80-100 mph..that is why laws are enacted for the safety of OTHER drivers and the moron that wants to risk the poor families and motorists who lose their lives or sustain serious injuries. I drive 10 over ...you do, we all do....and it may not kill anyone, but the guy who buys a jammer is typically not the person doing just 10 over. Plain and simple..keep it to the track or be a man and face the consequences.

[brantley847]

[QUOTE=PA FAST;119209]
I like to drive fast, but I am afraid to do more than 75 MPH because of these cops, especially since I am in my 20's the cops are out to bust my ass. I just want to do between 80-100 MPH (When the weather and traffic permit) without worry. [QUOTE]

It is called....A TRACK!!!

It has nothing to do with you, your age, or your feelings towards cops...the fact is you RISK your life and the life of other people who actually WANT to keep living. And unfortunately, those cops took an oath to protect YOUR life even if you want to drive with the regard that you dont care for your own....Just fair warning my friend...it is JUST a matter of time until the day cops finally get the next level radar that can detect when a signal is jammed will be the day you see a Federal Judge and lose your license for 5-10 years. If you don't think they are in the works...I would use caution, it is a matter of time.

Now I apologize if I come off as a jerk, which in your eyes, I really didn't have to say anything to be taken as such just because of a title. The fact is more people die in a year in traffic crashes than deaths caused by firearms have ever or will ever do in this country.


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Also, just more friendly advise...

"I also call cops liars from personal experience "

When was the last time your speedometer was calibrated? I can take a shot in the dark and say it probably never was and its not calibrated when you buy the vehicle. There are many different variations that can influence a speedometer, we are required to have ours calibrated every 6 months along with radar systems. On top of that, check to confirm they are working correctly every night. I am truly shocked that you are accusing an officer of lying for driving 7 mph faster than your speedometer says....he didnt say you were doing 90 or some absolutely obscure mph. Speedometers are known over time to be as much as 10 mph off the correct speed. The fact is civilian speedometers are consistently incorrect (more often they are only off by 2-5 mph), but officers are required by law to show proof that our instruments are maintained and current..you however, aren't. Calibration costs additional money which 99% of people arent willing to pay, and why would you..nor do dealers check it.

[TAG UR IT]

Not even going to waste my time w/ this again....ugh...pointless....

But I will say QUIT generalizing ALL police officers. That's the exact same as police officers doing racial profiling. We can't...and neither can you.

You know...I said I wasn't going to waste my time. But......

There are good officers...and there are bad.

I was doing 67 in a 60 seeing the red and blues from a TX state trooper way ahead of me. I slowed down at least a mile away as he was already on a traffic stop. The lights turned off. He stayed there. I passed him. He pulled me over. He claimed I was doing 83 in a 60. BULLSHIT!!!

Why on God's green earth would I ACCELERATE when I knew he was there???? I wouldn't! That's right! And he lied and wrote me a ticket.

Yes...there are plenty of jerks out there but there's also good. So, again...QUIT generalizing!

[CWI]

DIVVICHILD, This is for you. What I said was exactly accurate. I said radar detectors are not legal in all states. They are also not legal if installed to windshields in some states. I was not refering to jammers of any kind.

United States Law varies from state to state, but detectors are generally legal in private vehicles under the Communications Act of 1934[11] and illegal in commercial vehicles by DOT regulation (49 CFR 392.71). Exceptions:

Illegal in all vehicles: Virginia, Washington D.C., U.S. military bases
Illegal in commercial vehicles under state law: Illinois, New York (specifically, commercial vehicles over 10,000 pounds (4,500 kg) and all vehicles over 18,000 pounds (8,200 kg)) Also illegal in all commercial vehicles over 10000lbs under US federal law
Indirectly illegal (Illegal due to prohibitions against affixing items to windscreen): Minnesota, California[1], New York[12]
Repealed: Connecticut (repealed in 1998)[citation needed]

[CWI]

[quote=PA FAST;119209]
I like to drive fast, but I am afraid to do more than 75 MPH because of these cops, especially since I am in my 20's the cops are out to bust my ass. I just want to do between 80-100 MPH (When the weather and traffic permit) without worry. [quote]

PA Fast, I would reccomend you listen to what Brantley says, He sounds like a very professional and forgiving officer.
I look back at when I was your age and wonder how I survived. I drove like a mad man all the time and it was so much fun in a 400 plus HP Camaro. But reading this thread makes me wonder how long (you) will survive. You like to "cruise" at 100MPH in a 4 banger, it's scary to think what you will do with 300 horses of high performance around you.
YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT COP'S "BEING OUT FOR YOU."
YOU DO HOWEVER NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER "BEING OUT FOR YOU"
The unfortunate thing is he may be out for some innocent people at the same time and place. I don't go to PA and I hope you stay there. I don't want your ATTITUDE on my road.

[CWI]

divvichild
Camaro Enthusiast



Drives: Soon to be 2010 Camaro SS

Location: Southern California
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 22 Radar Detector

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I haven't seen any good pics of the Rear view mirror. Anyone know if there is space above it to mount a Valentine?

Who else is putting a RD in their Maro?

Check out the new article by motortrend. They have a pic of RVM in V6 model. They look like developmental Camaros but looks like some other goodies in overhead console. Wonder what's there besides a place for garage door remote or sunglass storage.

[PA FAST]

[QUOTE=brantley847;119302][QUOTE=PA FAST;119209]
I like to drive fast, but I am afraid to do more than 75 MPH because of these cops, especially since I am in my 20's the cops are out to bust my ass. I just want to do between 80-100 MPH (When the weather and traffic permit) without worry.

It is called....A TRACK!!!

It has nothing to do with you, your age, or your feelings towards cops...the fact is you RISK your life and the life of other people who actually WANT to keep living. And unfortunately, those cops took an oath to protect YOUR life even if you want to drive with the regard that you dont care for your own....Just fair warning my friend...it is JUST a matter of time until the day cops finally get the next level radar that can detect when a signal is jammed will be the day you see a Federal Judge and lose your license for 5-10 years. If you don't think they are in the works...I would use caution, it is a matter of time.

Now I apologize if I come off as a jerk, which in your eyes, I really didn't have to say anything to be taken as such just because of a title. The fact is more people die in a year in traffic crashes than deaths caused by firearms have ever or will ever do in this country.


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Also, just more friendly advise...

"I also call cops liars from personal experience "

When was the last time your speedometer was calibrated? I can take a shot in the dark and say it probably never was and its not calibrated when you buy the vehicle. There are many different variations that can influence a speedometer, we are required to have ours calibrated every 6 months along with radar systems. On top of that, check to confirm they are working correctly every night. I am truly shocked that you are accusing an officer of lying for driving 7 mph faster than your speedometer says....he didnt say you were doing 90 or some absolutely obscure mph. Speedometers are known over time to be as much as 10 mph off the correct speed. The fact is civilian speedometers are consistently incorrect (more often they are only off by 2-5 mph), but officers are required by law to show proof that our instruments are maintained and current..you however, aren't. Calibration costs additional money which 99% of people arent willing to pay, and why would you..nor do dealers check it.

You risk your life anytime you drive. I don't often hear of people surviving a crash at 65 or 75 MPH. The 80-100 MPH figure was just a random figure, I would like to go faster than 75 but I probably wouldn't do more than 90 most of the time. Sometimes I can't even do 75 MPH worrying about state troopers hiding in the bushes. I should also apologize for being a jerk, I meet many crappy cops but I have also met some nice ones. Just coming from New York, and driving through New Jersey I have met plenty of bad cops.

I never heard about the speedometer being calibrated, the car we drove in is 15 years old. So it might of never been calibrated. I will ask, we keep records of this stuff. For your own peace of mind know I have decent judgment, you might not get it from my post but I do try to drive safe. I never been in a speed related accident, and the few accidents I had were at low speed, and they were minor.

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Not even going to waste my time w/ this again....ugh...pointless....

But I will say QUIT generalizing ALL police officers. That's the exact same as police officers doing racial profiling. We can't...and neither can you.

You know...I said I wasn't going to waste my time. But......

There are good officers...and there are bad.

I was doing 67 in a 60 seeing the red and blues from a TX state trooper way ahead of me. I slowed down at least a mile away as he was already on a traffic stop. The lights turned off. He stayed there. I passed him. He pulled me over. He claimed I was doing 83 in a 60. BULLSHIT!!!

Why on God's green earth would I ACCELERATE when I knew he was there???? I wouldn't! That's right! And he lied and wrote me a ticket.

Yes...there are plenty of jerks out there but there's also good. So, again...QUIT generalizing!

Sorry I generalized I already apologized, but I had reasons to be angry. When we were down here a few years ago the cops stopped my father again and said he was going too fast. The area we we were driving through had a speed limit that changed every few miles. Since we had New York plates I guess they felt the need to have two cop cars stop us. One cut us off at an intersection and the other blocked us from the rear. The one in the rear had his hand on his pistol like we were criminals.

Try to understand experiences like that leave me with a bad taste in my mouth.

[QUOTE=CWIweldace;119320][quote=PA FAST;119209]
I like to drive fast, but I am afraid to do more than 75 MPH because of these cops, especially since I am in my 20's the cops are out to bust my ass. I just want to do between 80-100 MPH (When the weather and traffic permit) without worry.

PA Fast, I would reccomend you listen to what Brantley says, He sounds like a very professional and forgiving officer.
I look back at when I was your age and wonder how I survived. I drove like a mad man all the time and it was so much fun in a 400 plus HP Camaro. But reading this thread makes me wonder how long (you) will survive. You like to "cruise" at 100MPH in a 4 banger, it's scary to think what you will do with 300 horses of high performance around you.
YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT COP'S "BEING OUT FOR YOU."
YOU DO HOWEVER NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER "BEING OUT FOR YOU"
The unfortunate thing is he may be out for some innocent people at the same time and place. I don't go to PA and I hope you stay there. I don't want your ATTITUDE on my road.

I listen to what he said and agreed with some of the things he said. First of all I don't cruise at 100 MPH in my car, I cruise at 73-75 most of the time. I would like to cruise in the 80-90 range but I can't because I risk getting caught. Again the 80-100 was a random figure, it would be 100 MPH rarely and when accelerating. With the other crap I have seen on the road I don't feel the need to further explain myself to you or anyone else here, and I don't need the horror story of a medical examiner scraping my remains off the road.

I truly hope you don't come to PA either, I don't tolerate your mentality either, you sound like the kind of person who stays in the right lane and goes 60 so he can control everyones speed. It's not your road, it's everybody's road. I pay taxes also.

[DntWrryBeHappy21]

Okay....basically, some cops are assholes, some are nice. Hm just like everyone else in this world. Ive met a few been pulled over, one was generous and actually helped me ALOT (in extreme amounts that i cant even explain) in court as far as payments go (and having to wait longer to get my liscense) and then others told me they wanted to "check" if i had any problems with my liscense and comes back with a ticket instead. Thats how the world is. I personally dont like authority but i dont mind at all when the authority is doing his job and not being an ass.



EDIT- i meant ANOTHER not the others...sorry

[PA FAST]

Originally Posted by DntWrryBeHappy21

Okay....basically, some cops are assholes, some are nice. Hm just like everyone else in this world. Ive met a few been pulled over, one was generous and actually helped me ALOT (in extreme amounts that i cant even explain) in court as far as payments go (and having to wait longer to get my liscense) and then others told me they wanted to "check" if i had any problems with my liscense and comes back with a ticket instead. Thats how the world is. I personally dont like authority but i dont mind at all when the authority is doing his job and not being an ass.

Thank you, you understand where I am coming from. This is exactly how I feel. I truly feel for you, your state has the worse cops ever.

[Robert91RS]

I consider you all my friends, and that is why I want to say this. Stereotyping officers is as bad as stereotyping the way young people drive. Remember they keep you and your belongings safe. Are there bad cops? Sure, but it's the good ones that keep criminals in fear enough to remain law abiding people. I too enjoy pushing the speed limit and my driving record reflects that, but that doesn't mean I should do it.