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racedad70 · 09-17-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by littlecammi

Incredible how different people interpret the same statements to mean different things based solely on what they would like them to mean.
Maybe a rational person would come away with:
1) Better buy the CTS-V and ZR1 if you want one, because they won't be making them for too long and their successors will probably be less powerful.
2) GM is not currently planning on making a supercharged Camaro. (And if the future will not support the CTS-V and ZR1, why would it support a supercharged Camaro?)
3) No need to hold off and wait for a more powerful Camaro, because the 300hp V6 is more than enough according to Bob Lutz (and he didn't even mention the 422hp SS).

*radz28* · 09-17-2008, 06:22 PM

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65bus · 09-17-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by littlecammi

Incredible how different people interpret the same statements to mean different things based solely on what they would like them to mean.
Maybe a rational person would come away with:
1) Better buy the CTS-V and ZR1 if you want one, because they won't be making them for too long and their successors will probably be less powerful.
2) GM is not currently planning on making a supercharged Camaro. (And if the future will not support the CTS-V and ZR1, why would it support a supercharged Camaro?)
3) No need to hold off and wait for a more powerful Camaro, because the 300hp V6 is more than enough according to Bob Lutz (and he didn't even mention the 422hp SS).

My point exactly, was this a way of saying the SS is going to be a limited model. Hum............ (Z28 camaro might be a twin turbo V6 producing 5-600hp and producing 20mpg city) ya never know. But in the same it sucks for die hard NA power fans may be sol. If this happens we may have the last only V8 camaro produced by Chevy

logan1080 · 09-17-2008, 09:57 PM

yeah i duno they might have smaller cubic inch engines with power adders to offered in a V8 but i doubt that will stick around for long, i have a feeling the V8 will become less common as CAFE approaches.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 09-17-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 65bus

My point exactly, was this a way of saying the SS is going to be a limited model. Hum............ (Z28 camaro might be a twin turbo V6 producing 5-600hp and producing 20mpg city) ya never know. But in the same it sucks for die hard NA power fans may be sol. If this happens we may have the last only V8 camaro produced by Chevy

I wouldn't read it like that, either...

From one extreme to the other, geeze.

More than likely, the last statement was a continuation of the V6 hype we've been witnessing (well deserved, imo). Think about it, the head of product development isn't going to endorse the "gas-guzzling" V8 model on a public board....

yob2kanobe · 09-18-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by logan1080

My best guess is HP will stabilize... less focus on high performance, and more focus on energy saving technologies. CTS-V and ZR1 would be sound investments at this point.

Sounds like the SS will also be a sound investment at this point!

LegacyZ28 · 09-19-2008, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by logan1080

logan1080:
For people like me who will be purchasing a Camaro, would you recommend holding off a year if we want a Camaro with more performance?
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BobLutz:
I thought as you did until i drove the 300-hp V6. A wonderfully balanced car with great handling and a superb sound. Buy at least one of those.

Did you really expect a straight answer from him on this?
Of course he's going to want you to go out and buy the 2010!

*radz28* · 09-19-2008, 09:28 AM

Like Dragon', I'm not sure he's going to praise a pretty large V8 that's going to have a rating in the low 20s in these times. To enthusiasts, I don't think many would really bat and eye, but for those GM really needs to appeal to, this would be a mistake, IMHO. I really hope for an FI V8 than an FI V6 more because of the sound than anything. Nothing says power like the rumble of a V8, I'm sorry; I gotta' feel it in my gut.

Just my .02.

fierodeletre · 09-19-2008, 10:00 AM

What'd be cool is if they used the LSA technology on a smaller V8, like their vortec 4.8L. Maybe even smaller. I'm fairly certain that at that displacement, things like DI, FI, VVT and MDS could get it waaaay past 430 hp and STILL sound like a sweet-A V8. Speaking of which, little off-topic, but have you seen the improvements dodge has made to the 5.7 hemi in the challenger? VVT's really woken that guy up. Imagine if the General tried his hand?

logan1080 · 09-20-2008, 02:01 PM

whats the mileage on the challenger and mustang ?

logan1080 · 09-20-2008, 02:01 PM

What is the mileage on the challenger and mustang v8's?

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09-19-2008, 09:28 AM	#36
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,807 View My Garage	Like Dragon', I'm not sure he's going to praise a pretty large V8 that's going to have a rating in the low 20s in these times. To enthusiasts, I don't think many would really bat and eye, but for those GM really needs to appeal to, this would be a mistake, IMHO. I really hope for an FI V8 than an FI V6 more because of the sound than anything. Nothing says power like the rumble of a V8, I'm sorry; I gotta' feel it in my gut. Just my .02. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

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logan1080 Drives: 2003 Crew Cab Duramax Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: canada Posts: 693 View My Garage	yeah i duno they might have smaller cubic inch engines with power adders to offered in a V8 but i doubt that will stick around for long, i have a feeling the V8 will become less common as CAFE approaches.

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