How many Mustang owners will switch?

[xsoutherngun89x]

im makin the switch. ive got a 98 GT that the g/f is gonna start drivin once the new SS is in the driveway

[Yeahyouknwit]

where have you seen the new mustang? I want to get a look at the 2010 stang

[xsoutherngun89x]

they havent really let any official stuff out on it. if you look it up on google you can get some spy shots. im not crazy about the way the styling is going. and im more loyal to american muscle(cept mopar-blah) than ford

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by wjones14

And for every guy like that, I could find a bunch who had nothing but good luck with the '05 Mustang. I'm one of them. 3-1/2 years and and 34K miles, with no problems. The car never went back to the dealer the whole time it was under warranty. And I drive it hard, including two HPDE events at Lime Rock Park and New Hampshire Motor Speedway.

But Ford sold 192,000 2005 Mustangs, so sure there were some that had problems, like any other car.

Consumer Reports and JD Power both say the 2005 Mustang is well above average in reliability.

Too bad for your brother though - he was one of the unlucky few.

I never go by JD Power, they say a Chevy Malibu is rated higher than a Camry and Accord, the fact is the Malibu is a great car, but in 5-10 years which one will still be on the road with no transmission rebuilds and a great engine? The Accord or Camry. Not taking anything away from the Malibu, but lets be realistic those foreign cars will outlast and resell much better than the Malibu. And a Ford Fusion being more fun to drive and better than a Camry or Accord, get real.

But getting back to the Mustang, my friend boguht an '06 Mustang GT adn also had numerous amounts of problems with it, and when I visit my local Ford dealership's service department I'm always seeing at least two Mustangs with the tranmission or differential out of it which is not good. I own three Aamco Transmissions shops so I'm in the auto repair business, and not to rip Ford but the have the worst transmissions in the business. The worst transmissions ever built are possibly a Taurus and Windstar unit. Chrysler is trouble too, but not like Ford, but thank God for Fords it's what keeps me in business and puts bread on the table for me and my family!

The fact is the Mustang is no different when it comes to their transmisiions and differentials, from the factory their valve bodies, torque converters, and differentials are not up to par with other American vehicles, never mind foreign vehicles. But, I also know alot of people who bought Mustangs and never had a problem, so like any other vehicle in the industry there are flaws to them. Unfortunately, Ford has a reputation in our industry and our line of work, to have the wekest and most flawed transmissions and differentials in the business.

But, like I said thank God for the Mustang, without it there would be no Camaro in 1967, and due to it's success recently there wouldn't be a Camaro in 2010. So, I respect the Mustang. I just never would buy one!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

I never go by JD Power, they say a Chevy Malibu is rated higher than a Camry and Accord, the fact is the Malibu is a great car, but in 5-10 years which one will still be on the road with no transmission rebuilds and a great engine? The Accord or Camry. Not taking anything away from the Malibu, but lets be realistic those foreign cars will outlast and resell much better than the Malibu.

bias-much? C'mon, now...what proof, (or rationale, even) do you have to substantiate that claim?
The resell, I won't deny. It can be attributed to the stupid public's perception; what are people going to buy, and therefore what's more in demand...
but the outlast part -- that's a wild claim (and somewhat false) to make this early in the game......

[Yeahyouknwit]

I didnt have any trouble with my stang...untill the warranty was up. Car manufacturers make the cars to just last through the warranty then some times the cars start to have problems, big and small.

[KatarHol]

I had a horrible quality '95 Camaro i bought new,but 2 Mustangs that were basically perfect,but i know how hit or miss these unreliable stories are for each car so i would give the Camaro another shot. My in-laws had 2 4th gen Firebirds and a '96 GT that had no issues,so hit or miss. As long as its got a warranty,i'll give it a shot.

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

bias-much? C'mon, now...what proof, (or rationale, even) do you have to substantiate that claim?
The resell, I won't deny. It can be attributed to the stupid public's perception; what are people going to buy, and therefore what's more in demand...
but the outlast part -- that's a wild claim (and somewhat false) to make this early in the game......

Okay, if I was biased towards Chevy, like I said I am in my first post, why would I argue for a foreign car versus a Chevy Malibu. The fact is in the past Accords and Camrys hold up much better than a Chevy Malibu. The fact is I guess we won't know for about 5-6 years if my statement is true, but history is on my side in saying that the foreign Camry and Accord will hold up much better than a Malibu. And my perception is not from the public it's from running an auto repair shop. I don't need magazines to tell me that the Camry and Accords have held up better than the Nalibu in the past. But, I will make this point, which should help the perception that I'm biased. The Camry is now built in America, and since than the quality level has gone down versus when it was built in Japan, and as for Accord some are built in America and some in Japan, you can tell by the VIN#. So, maybe the Malibu will hold up just as long as a Camry and some Accords now that we build them.

And, the fact is in my profession, we've learned that Ford does not build a better transmission / differential, and uses them incorrectly in their vehicles versus Chevy and Chrysler. The fact is Ford uses transmissions that are too small for the vehicles in alot of their lineup. So, yes I have a bias towards Chevy over Ford, not because of quality, but because I think the Chevy Camaro is nicer than the Ford Mustang. The quality issue is just something that adds to my bias due to my profession. But, I will also be humble and say that if I'm going to drive a Malibu versus an Accord or Camry, I will pick the Accord or Camry everytime!

Anyways, I'm not trying to insult anyone on this board. I think both the Mustang and Malibu are good cars, it's just I would prefer other cars in thier class if I had to choose from either. I am a Chevy guy, which is why I will be picking the Camaro over the Mustang. Mustang is a good car, but unfortunately the Camaro will be great, just read the new Motor Trent or Car And Driver. Then again it wasn't hard to imagine, as long as the Mustang keeps it's outdated suspension it will always finish behind the competition. Even the GT500 was humbled by a Challenger SRT8 because of it's whining engine noise and outdated live rear axel suspension!

[Shadowsong]

I'm switching, without a second thought.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

the new Motor Trent or Car And Driver. Then again it wasn't hard to imagine, as long as the Mustang keeps it's outdated suspension it will always finish behind the competition.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're relying more on your anti-Ford bias than on actual fact. The fact is the first year the redesigned Mustang hit the racetrack in competition in the Grand Am Cup (now known as the Koni Challenge Series), guess which car won the GS class? Yep it was the Mustang, live rear axle and all. It beat out Porsche 911, BMW M3, Nissan 350Z, and Pontiac GTO. Here's a picture of the car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Barbers02.jpg

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

But getting back to the Mustang, my friend boguht an '06 Mustang GT adn also had numerous amounts of problems with it, and when I visit my local Ford dealership's service department I'm always seeing at least two Mustangs with the tranmission or differential out of it which is not good. I own three Aamco Transmissions shops so I'm in the auto repair business, and not to rip Ford but the have the worst transmissions in the business.

The fact is the Mustang is no different when it comes to their transmisiions and differentials, from the factory their valve bodies, torque converters, and differentials are not up to par with other American vehicles, never mind foreign vehicles.

Do you know what kind of transmission the Mustang GT has? it's a Tremec T-5. This tranny used to be known as the Borg-Warner T-5. It's not made by Ford. In fact, this transmission has been in many cars for years, including Camaros.

[bumblebee11]

I can't bear the thought of trading in my baby so I'm just going to hold out until my payments are done and have both.

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Do you know what kind of transmission the Mustang GT has? it's a Tremec T-5. This tranny used to be known as the Borg-Warner T-5. It's not made by Ford. In fact, this transmission has been in many cars for years, including Camaros.

I know that, I was referring to automatic transmissions. It's very rare to rebuild a manual transmission completely, unless it was abused. I think the Tremec is a good transmission, the new one in the camaro will be great. But, unfortunately the auto tranny for the Mustang is built by Ford and is nto great quality, imo!

Originally Posted by wjones14

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're relying more on your anti-Ford bias than on actual fact. The fact is the first year the redesigned Mustang hit the racetrack in competition in the Grand Am Cup (now known as the Koni Challenge Series), guess which car won the GS class? Yep it was the Mustang, live rear axle and all. It beat out Porsche 911, BMW M3, Nissan 350Z, and Pontiac GTO. Here's a picture of the car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Barbers02.jpg

No one said on a track a live rear axel is bad, in fact it gives a great advantage in straights and the fact is the race was on a track, and are those cars stock? I'm not sure if they are? If they aren't than your argument holds no water because once suspensions can be tweaked all bets are off. And drivers are a factor in this race. Anyways, I was referring more to highways that are not flat and smooth like a racetrack. Not for nothing but how many of us drive our cars on a racetrack more than the real open road? Probably none of us. The fact is a stock SVT Cobra, which used a independent rear suspension, went around a track faster than a stock GT500 and it was at a 110hp disadvantage. But, lets be honest for everyday driving on our public roads, a live rear axel is not as good as independent rear for handling and comfort.

Again, I am not here to argue with people. I'm just stating that I believe the Camaro will sway alot of Mustang buyers away and convert them into bowtie drivers. I already know 5 people, not including my brother, who will be giving up their Mustang V6's / GT's for 2010 Camaros! And, to me if that is the case than Chevy is doing a good job!