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01-19-2014, 07:12 AM | #436 | |
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Nice to see you back Pete...
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01-19-2014, 08:11 AM | #438 | |
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01-19-2014, 09:06 AM | #439 | |
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01-20-2014, 03:34 PM | #440 | |
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hate to burst your bubble but I googled the guy who was driving the Z28 at the ring and he's done absolutely nothing of any relevance. Have you ever watched NASCAR on road courses? Did you ever see those road course ringers dominate those tracks? Names like Ron Fellow, Boris Said, Scott Pruett, Tommy Kendall. Fellows is an ex Corvette GTR driver... have him drive. Do you really think this GM Engineer can hang with those type of guys? |
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01-20-2014, 04:04 PM | #441 | |
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Professional drivers all have gifts that enable them to do what they do. Getting in the right car or getting a break to get into the right car is equal parts skill, hard work and luck. One amateur driver I know got his break with a very good TEAM. He called me after his first day on the job and told me he was faster in closed practice than the name drivers. He was pumped. I asked him if he should be playing corporate golf and hanging back just a bit, to not show up the names. Nope. This is racing. They want my best effort. A week later he was back to amateur racing. He'll never show up in a Google search as a relevant professional driver. Does that make him slower on track? Back to the Ring. Is there a driver that might be faster in the Z/28? I'm sure there is, but that should not reflect on the effort of TEAM Camaro in the Z/28. No driver can be faster than the car the TEAM gave him. With the available RWHP there isn't much left in the Z/28 wet or dry time. Bump the RWHP to 600... |
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01-20-2014, 04:38 PM | #442 | |
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I am not looking to get into a pissing contest with you. But you sure are looking to pick a fight with the forum, especially for someone who has all of 5 posts. I work for GM, I know many of the drivers who work at Milford, drove the first Camaro's. I am not sure who drove at the ring. Honestly don't even care. If GM wanted to have a better time posted they would not have even drove at the time, since it was cold and raining. Yes, I follow all those experts who drive for NASCAR. Yes, maybe one of them could be hired to drive at the ring, but they would also need to get some seat time at that track, maybe the person who did drive there already has lots of seat time at that track. I will move on now and leave this thread for you to continue to post your expertise on what you think you know.
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01-20-2014, 05:10 PM | #443 | |
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Have you ever watched NASCAR on road courses? Did you ever see those road course ringers dominate those tracks? Names like Ron Fellow, Boris Said, Scott Pruett, Tommy Kendall. Fellows is an ex Corvette GTR driver... have him drive. Do you really think this GM Engineer can hang with those type of guys? [/QUOTE] #1 He works for GM and gets free flights to Germany to drive a Z/28 at the Nurburgring. Then fly back home to a job that pays him a significant amount of money for his schooling and expertise. I would have to say that is pretty relevant. #2 The road racers that you mention know those road courses as they have been racing on them for years. Let me ask you this question. Have you ever had the opportunity to walk around a track before an event to get every detail of a track? Can't walk the Nurburgring can you? Ron Fellows is too busy making money announcing the races now to drive! I watched him race in Long Beach a few times back when I followed Cadillac and owned a CTS-V. [/QUOTE] |
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01-20-2014, 05:44 PM | #444 |
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Maybe you guys should read up on the other cars at the Ring. Porsche just used 3 european drivers for their 918 Spyder. 2 were factory drivers with racing history and an ex-european rally champion.
And GM has an american engineer... with 0 race history. You really think he can hang??? HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RACING HISTORY!! THAT SHOULD BOTHER YOU GUYS!!! Every other driver at the Ring is a Pro driver with championship titles. The fact that a 2 year old Viper crushed the ZR1 time with almost no R&D should bother you! I have a feeling the ZR1 is a much better car... and in the hands of a true pro would have been much faster. |
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Have you heard of the Milford proving grounds? Where lies the Milford Road Course? The only thing I don't like about it is that it's closed to the public; being GM's testing facility. That road course is possibly the most complex course next to the Nurburgring in America. Perhaps VIR could be argued as similarly challenging. My point is - just because the engineer/driver behind the wheel of the Z/28 doesn't have a race history, or a resumé of victories means literally...nothing. Time on the MRC should not be dismissed... Let me remind you: the Nordschliefe runs are engineering exercises...the hot laps are to prove a point and thump chests, not to win any awards....2 seconds on a 13 mile track is.....one minor slip up through a corner...one delay to accelerate on a straight. And I'm willing to bet that none of us here will EVER be able to beat these times, anyways; let alone attempt them in real life...so what should it mean to us if one driver earns 3-4 seconds a lap over another driver in the same car around Nurburgring? Should we spend hours calculating the environmental variables that could effect times, too? Respectfully - I'm not worried about anything. And I think you're looking at all this from the wrong perspective... |
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01-20-2014, 07:15 PM | #446 |
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Okay okay bring it back now...
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01-20-2014, 08:42 PM | #447 | ||
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Besides, what do you think a test driver does, day in and day out? ↓ ↓ ↓ If you answered "gained seat time", you're beginning to get it. Better still if it crossed your mind that such seat time wasn't all done at or below legal highway speeds. Quote:
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01-20-2014, 09:13 PM | #448 |
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Another 15K for a Z/28 compared to my ZL1...Makes it difficult to believe since the ZL1 has so many more features and track times nearly the same. IMO
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