Now the tests out, ZL1 over hyped

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by zero

Getting hung up on test gainst against boss...hell yes..
it should alot faster than a boss with all the hype about handling, state of art suspension, ring times,

2 1/2 second's is ALOT faster......

[n2oSS]

I don't understand why comparing a boosted track car to a n/a track car is living up to this zl1 hype. The zl1 has a better power to weight ratio then the boss and it gets that power lower in the rpms, that alone can equate to the slightly faster times. To me all i am seeing is acceleration making the zl1 come out on top. You take a s/c and strap it to the boss and i bet it'd be a different story and the cars would be equal acceleration wise.

to get the same weight vs hp ratio per the motor trend specs sheet, the boss would need roughly 520 hp to match up. This in turn would increase its acceleration. Still have the issue of the high rever vs the mid range but im not calculating that out. So you roughly need about 76 hp to be on par in this aspect.

So how do we get the 76 hp and keep it close to the zl1 specs? Supercharger would further increase the nose weight which the boss already has more then the zl1. I dont know the weights of each engine part to really make a fair judgement on what can be swaped to make these cars fairly equal for hp vs weight and balance.

All i am saying here is this wasn't an equal showingand i would bet if you just equaled the power to weight ratio of the boss and zl1 there would be a different out come.

At this point is when we will see if gm's theories ie mag suspension, irs, ect would out play fords simple approach when on the road coarse.

[Number 3]

So I'm getting curious now. If you go to a track day or club event, do they take extra time off your laps if you win the weigh in? I thought it was only a combination of your skill as a driver and capability of the car you brought with you. I hadn't heard of this weigh in before you actually put rubber to the track event.

But if there is such a thing, I agree the Mustang wins. Because as we've said 1,000 times...........................it is a smaller car.

[ffrcobra_65]

The boss lost because it wasn't on track mode. " red key" not used.
The ZL1 proved itself capable around a track, that's something. But open your eyes boys and girls, the boss was/is 136hp less and likely, the track key (red key) wasn't used. The ZL1 is supposed to beat it easily, I mean 5-10 seconds a lap. Oh, what about the nose to nose 1/4 mile? 444hp vs 580hp and the boss stayed with the ZL1. Not a win or the ZL1 IMO but I'll still buy it because it is awesome.

[2cnd chance]

Speculation alert!!!

Thread has gotten beyond boring. Sorry, but I'm turning the channel.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

The boss lost because it wasn't on track mode. " red key" not used.
The ZL1 proved itself capable around a track, that's something. But open your eyes boys and girls, the boss was/is 136hp less and likely, the track key (red key) wasn't used. The ZL1 is supposed to beat it easily, I mean 5-10 seconds a lap. Oh, what about the nose to nose 1/4 mile? 444hp vs 580hp and the boss stayed with the ZL1. Not a win or the ZL1 IMO but I'll still buy it because it is awesome.

So a 10 mph advantage down the straight and 2 plus seconds a lap isn't destroying the Boss? I think you know 2 seconds is an eternity in motorsports.

In a 2 hour endurance race, that is getting lapped..................twice.

And which was it, "the Boss lost because it wasn't on track mode. "red key" not used" or "and likely, the track key wasn't used"??

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So a 10 mph advantage down the straight and 2 plus seconds a lap isn't destroying the Boss? I think you know 2 seconds is an eternity in motorsports.

In a 2 hour endurance race, that is getting lapped..................twice.

And which was it, "the Boss lost because it wasn't on track mode. "red key" not used" or "and likely, the track key wasn't used"??

If they didn't use the Track Key it's valid as it would be using the full potential of the car.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by PQ

You two guys are a couple of the many posters who I respect on here.

All I can say is this is where 'Fanboys' can come to hang out. I'd say try and look past the blatant blindness. I do agree that there is a lot of tennel-vision with some of the Camaro guys. But I give them a bit more leeway (not that my leeway means anything lol) because if you wanna be a Camaro fanboy, this is the place to come.

I agree with you guys for the most part and so do many one here but there will be some sensitivity here becasue of some of the guys who really are trolls.

Considering respect is earned, it's much appreciated you put me in the same categoory as many other respected poster. I feel the same about you PQ, not to mention your alias reminds me of my home province (Quebec - PQ for short).

Originally Posted by evolve

Very interesting.

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I don't understand why one would claim that "those of us that don't believe all the hype are redeemed," because the ZL1's numbers and facts from the Nurburgring and the track at Inde Ranch are impressive and the ZL1 delivered the level of performance on the track that Chevrolet indicated that it would.

The ZL1 ran the Nurburgring in 7:41:27.

On the 2.2 mile track at Inde the ZL1 beat the Boss 302, Ford's Mustang intended for the track, by 2.45 seconds or almost 18 car lengths at the ZL1's average track speed of 78.13 MPH.

Are you attempting to argue that those numbers are not impressive, or that they didn't meet expectations?

A little of both. I wrote up a huge response and decided not to post it for concern of being "moderated" again.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So a 10 mph advantage down the straight and 2 plus seconds a lap isn't destroying the Boss? I think you know 2 seconds is an eternity in motorsports.

In a 2 hour endurance race, that is getting lapped..................twice.

And which was it, "the Boss lost because it wasn't on track mode. "red key" not used" or "and likely, the track key wasn't used"??

it is no more a win than a GT500 win vs the SS when that comparo was done. Strange how people cried foul over that but now, it is supposed to be a total victory for the ZL1 vs a car Mustang wth 136hp less. I am just sayin...

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

it is no more a win than a GT500 win vs the SS when that comparo was done. Strange how people cried foul over that but now, it is supposed to be a total victory for the ZL1 vs a car Mustang wth 136hp less. I am just sayin...

It's because people can dish it but can't take it. It's okay when Camaro is compared to a car with lass power but when the opposite happens it's a personal attack. That is a fact!

[htron50]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

it is no more a win than a GT500 win vs the SS when that comparo was done. Strange how people cried foul over that but now, it is supposed to be a total victory for the ZL1 vs a car Mustang wth 136hp less. I am just sayin...

Incorrect. The Boss 302 is the best production car Mustang has out at present. The ZL1 is the best production car Camaro has out at present. Sure it's fair. The current Boss 302 is a whole lot better than the 2012 GT500.... according to ALL I've heard bragged about or tested in mags. So, FFCobra.... you got that "key" made up story again? LOL! GIVATMEAGIN;

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

it is no more a win than a GT500 win vs the SS when that comparo was done. Strange how people cried foul over that but now, it is supposed to be a total victory for the ZL1 vs a car Mustang wth 136hp less. I am just sayin...

also, dont forget the price difference between a boss ls and ZL1 is extremely close to the difference between a GT500 and 2SS camaro

[LOWDOWN]

Uh...actually, the difference in Base prices is over 50% MORE, GT500 to 2SS, than BOSS LS is to ZL1...

However, your FACTS in this case are more accurate than your "facts" throughout this thread...

Your definition of "extremely close" has me thinkin' you're in charge of QC @ Yugo...

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Uh...actually, the difference in Base prices is over 50% MORE, GT500 to 2SS, than BOSS LS is to ZL1...

However, your FACTS in this case are more accurate than your "facts" throughout this thread...

Your definition of "extremely close" has me thinkin' you're in charge of QC @ Yugo...

$8000 difference between Boss LS and ZL1.
whats the difference between a fully loaded 2SS and a $48k GT500?