Best Z28 Model Year?

[danhr]

b/c i have nothing to prove to you? I am not going to even go through the effort of going through ls1tech or asking my friend how much his 1sc exactly weighed.... that's like telling someone to prove that 1+1=2. if you (or anyone else) really is dumb to think a lt1 fbody weighs less than an ls1 fbody, then the saying is true... "a fool is born every day".

i have accounted for 100 lbs of weight..... the only you said is you think the ls1 has 15 more lbs of sound deadening material (WHERE IS YOUR MSN REFERENCE FOR THAT?!), and that apparently the front bumper weighs more on an ls1 fbody (because even though they are made of the same material and are 90% the same design, one weighs 100 lbs more than the other?)

and add another 15 lbs or so for the lt1 steel driveshaft.... forgot about that one.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by danhr

b/c i have nothing to prove to you? I am not going to even go through the effort of going through ls1tech or asking my friend how much his 1sc exactly weighed.... that's like telling someone to prove that 1+1=2. if you (or anyone else) really is dumb to think a lt1 fbody weighs less than an ls1 fbody, then the saying is true... "a fool is born every day".

i have accounted for 100 lbs of weight..... the only you said is you think the ls1 has 15 more lbs of sound deadening material (WHERE IS YOUR MSN REFERENCE FOR THAT?!), and that apparently the front bumper weighs more on an ls1 fbody (because even though they are made of the same material and are 90% the same design, one weighs 100 lbs more than the other?)

and add another 15 lbs or so for the lt1 steel driveshaft.... forgot about that one.

sorry ls1tech isn't exactly a legitimate website. it's a forum. it has good information but wouldn't be a source for writing a paper.

I don't think there is 15 lbs more sound deadening. I think there is more. I don't know because I haven't weight them. I have ridden in both and it's quieter in the ls1's. the front bumper is bigger. a bigger front end means more material. but the only way we would know is to actually weight the parts on the same scale. we haven't. . .

you called me gullible and won't even defend yourself all because you're lazy. and that's ok with you? yea. that's where I saw this going.

if you're going to call someone gullible for just pulling information off the net. then expect them to call you on the same argument. you can be anyone. you friend could really be mythical. but msn.com and yahoo.com are real. that's my point. I don't care if you ask your friend, I don't care what some joe schmo has to say on a car forum. you are lazy plain and simple. the fool is you because you can't even get the point.

[20Camaro11]

boxmonkeyracing and danhr...it is IMO that you two are mucking up this otherwise interesting thread with an asinine argument...maybe take it somewhere else?

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by 20Camaro11

boxmonkeyracing and danhr...it is IMO that you two are mucking up this otherwise interesting thread with an asinine argument...maybe take it somewhere else?

enough already. Back on topic.

[danhr]

so you think there is more... because you think the ls1 is quieter... and this has to be because of sound deadening material.

have you ever ripped apart the carpet to see this?

my point is this:
your sources are not specific. it does not specify the options on the car, when listing it's weight. in fact, you openly admitted you just kept searching until you found the lowest weight you could.

to even further prove this..... let's just ask this simple question... what does a 2002 camaro ss weigh?
Motortrend says 3411
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ang_specs.html

Aol says 3433
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Chevrolet-Camaro-2002/specs/

Edmunds says 3439 lbs.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2002/che...300/specs.html

3323 according to new cars
http://www.new-cars.com/2002/chevrol...fications.html

You seeing my drift here... there's a 100+ lbs spread there, on the same car. All are "reputable" references..... but something as simple as weighing a car, and the data is all over the place. because there are so many different variables (in this case options). for all you know you are comparing a 2000 z28 with a 4l60e with t tops and fully optioned to a hard top 1le 1993 camaro.

some day common sense will kick in for you. and you will realize that aluminum is lighter than steel. hopefully that day comes soon, and you can finally go back and graduate high school.

[danhr]

Originally Posted by 20Camaro11

boxmonkeyracing and danhr...it is IMO that you two are mucking up this otherwise interesting thread with an asinine argument...maybe take it somewhere else?

can't sleep... gotta kill time somehow.

is it a stupid argument? yes... but it somehow keeps coming up with new replies when i hit the "new posts" link

[Mr. Wyndham]

You both are senior members here...and I've got to admit, I'm a little shocked and disappointed in this exchange you're having. The topic your discussing is very interesting, but the way you're smacking each other is not.

Are we done calling names?

[danhr]

can we throw food instead?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by danhr

can we throw food instead?

No.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by 20Camaro11

boxmonkeyracing and danhr...it is IMO that you two are mucking up this otherwise interesting thread with an asinine argument...maybe take it somewhere else?

awe **** it. who cares. 15 yr olds shouldn't be driving sports cars.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by danhr

so you think there is more... because you think the ls1 is quieter... and this has to be because of sound deadening material. could be because of a number of reasons. but likely there is more material some where.

have you ever ripped apart the carpet to see this? I clearly stated I hadn't. so who needs to freshen up on their reading skills.

my point is this:
your sources are not specific. it does not specify the options on the car, when listing it's weight. in fact, you openly admitted you just kept searching until you found the lowest weight you could.

to even further prove this..... let's just ask this simple question... what does a 2002 camaro ss weigh?
Motortrend says 3411
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ang_specs.html

Aol says 3433
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Chevrolet-Camaro-2002/specs/

Edmunds says 3439 lbs.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2002/che...300/specs.html

3323 according to new cars
http://www.new-cars.com/2002/chevrol...fications.html

You seeing my drift here... there's a 100+ lbs spread there, on the same car. All are "reputable" references..... but something as simple as weighing a car, and the data is all over the place. because there are so many different variables (in this case options). for all you know you are comparing a 2000 z28 with a 4l60e with t tops and fully optioned to a hard top 1le 1993 camaro.

at least I was doing research, and using legitimate websites. I know there's always variables to account for. and the lowest weights usually from them are closer to reality for a car with few if any options. but hey I have to spell it out for you. like you're trying to spell it out to me. I asked you to back yourself up. you wouldn't/won't. the closest you come is trying to show me the differences in weight. I know this. and I never denied it.

some day common sense will kick in for you. and you will realize that aluminum is lighter than steel. hopefully that day comes soon, and you can finally go back and graduate high school.

you made an assumption about me in your first post. and you've continued with that assumption. You assumed a lot. I asked you to back stuff up and you won't. maybe someone needs to go to college and learn how to write papers, and why it's important to back yourself up. that's all I asked you to do. if you wanted to prove me wrong that's all you had to do. but instead you become insulting. which is pretty childish. and I did sink to your level. oh well. moving on.

never once have I said aluminum is heavier then iron. and if you believe I think that, then that assumption is very wrong. and if I did why did I agree that the ls1 is 80ish lbs lighter then the lt1?

if you are referring to the aluminum driver shaft who said I believed the steel was lighter? I sure as hell didn't. as for handling power I wouldn't take aluminum for high outputs. chrom-moly is the only way to go.

[radz28]

IMVHO - it depends on exactly what you're considering. For example - if you're looking for all-out performance, I'd say an LS1-car; if you're looking for heritage, I'd say a First Gen. LS1-cars have gotten into the high 12s right out of the showroom, with NO mods'. You could have gotten an 1LE and gone racing straight from the dealer. However, as much as I loved my LT1 and LS1 Zs, they don't hold a candle to the heritage and love of the First Gens., IMVHO. I'd totally rock a '69, with all the goodies GM and the dealer could give me before either of my Fourth Gens without even thinking about it; it has nothing to do with the cars themselves - just the First Gen has been my favorite since I started appreciating cars (and I still deeply miss my two Zs...).

I'm going to go out on a limb and even say that I forcast the Fifth Gen Z28 to be the best. For me, the styling ties into the First Gen enough that I consider it even better looking (only slightly) than a '69, and I know the performance and amenities aren't going to be similar. I'm not taking ANYTHING away from any of the earlier generations (though it may look like I am). All the technology we're enjoying now and advancements in materials and quality totally SHOULD result in a superior car. I have gotten dark on the last generation in the past, but I know that, that car was all about performance FIRST - and that's why I bought two without regret. I always wanted a new '69, and I think the next Z28 will be the closest thing I can get to it, and from the factory, I think it'll be the best. It will do it in a totally different way than the originals, however, I know deep down, it's going to perform.

Now - I just have to figure out how to get me a '69 AND a 5th Gen

[danhr]

Originally Posted by radz28

IMVHO - it depends on exactly what you're considering. For example - if you're looking for all-out performance, I'd say an LS1-car; if you're looking for heritage, I'd say a First Gen. LS1-cars have gotten into the high 12s right out of the showroom, with NO mods'. You could have gotten an 1LE and gone racing straight from the dealer. However, as much as I loved my LT1 and LS1 Zs, they don't hold a candle to the heritage and love of the First Gens., IMVHO. I'd totally rock a '69, with all the goodies GM and the dealer could give me before either of my Fourth Gens without even thinking about it; it has nothing to do with the cars themselves - just the First Gen has been my favorite since I started appreciating cars (and I still deeply miss my two Zs...).

I'm going to go out on a limb and even say that I forcast the Fifth Gen Z28 to be the best. For me, the styling ties into the First Gen enough that I consider it even better looking (only slightly) than a '69, and I know the performance and amenities aren't going to be similar. I'm not taking ANYTHING away from any of the earlier generations (though it may look like I am). All the technology we're enjoying now and advancements in materials and quality totally SHOULD result in a superior car. I have gotten dark on the last generation in the past, but I know that, that car was all about performance FIRST - and that's why I bought two without regret. I always wanted a new '69, and I think the next Z28 will be the closest thing I can get to it, and from the factory, I think it'll be the best. It will do it in a totally different way than the originals, however, I know deep down, it's going to perform.

Now - I just have to figure out how to get me a '69 AND a 5th Gen

yeah what he said

except replace his 69 preferance with 1968... i like 68's the best.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Connor15

Okay, I'm fifteen. I absolutely love Camaro's and i want one for my first car, i have looked at many different model years of the Z28 and i can't figure out which model year is best. I really like the design of the Camaro overall but i dont like how in the late 90's the grill on the bottom front got bigger, i liked the sleeker smaller grill. So out of all the years in the 90's which Z28 is the most reliable and more importantly which accelerates faster and which has the highest top speed? If i were to get a Z28, it would obviously have to be a stick shift, so factor that in. Thanks for the help

Connor

Please everyone read the OP's first post (which is quoted above) and get back on topic. He was asking about Z28's from the 90's. not the first gen, not the 2nd gen, not the 5th Gen. so it looks like from the years 1990 through 1999, which years meets his needs or wants.. evidently he is concentrating on the 4th gen Camaros. So People with experience with those cars should be responding to him. All other discussions are off topic..