Possible no ABL on 1st lot of cars?!?!?

[sewwhut]

OOH OOH i want ABL!

[jeffny09]

i just want the car the can keep the abl if it dont work i can care less though its cool it aint why im buying the car

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

The production start date.

March 16th. It was Feb. 16th. They don't publish dates like that in case they have to delay them...which they had to. Kinda like how you don't engrave the year onto a cornerstone till the building is completed. Taking out that cornerstone if you need to take longer is a b****!!

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

The price of the individual options

Talk to your dealer. Or search this site. This is still pre-production ordering time (or right at the end of it), they do not publish such detailed info till the car is in full swing and rolling off the line. Can you imagine letting American know they can order a Camaro...and then tell them: "Due to recieving 50,000 orders, you won't get yours till March of 2010."

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Please stop using the "they already told us more..." well if this were last July then yes. However now that we're this close to production, there shouldn't be features up in the air like this. All we have to go off of is rumor. All GM has done is further the rumors by making comments of "no comment". There should be no questions remaining when orders are being locked in for production.

I apologize in advance for my "curt-ness".

When people stop demanding more details like spoiled little babies...I'll stop reminding them of when we were told all the information. I'll stop reminding them of how extraordinary it is to be included this earliy in the game. I'll stop reminding them about how things can change unexpectedly. I'll stop reminding them of the risks of PRE-ordering a vehicle, and why it's never publicized.

In short, there is nothing they are including on the car right now that your dealer cannot tell you how much it costs, and click that 'submit' button for you. If someone's dedicated enough to this car to order so early, then I'm sure they're dedicated enough to take a drive down to their local dealer. I do agree that GM did not contact us all personally with a price breakdown for every nut and bolt, though. How rude of them.

[Caliman93230]

oh these ABL riots make me

[craigd853]

Originally Posted by detroitboy

I'd have to guess that many potential buyers are concerned about the resale value of their Camaro in the future if the car they owned is one of the few that were produced originally without this feature. It could be a deal breaker for a potential buyer of your used car when another seller does have the same car with the ABL feature and yours does not.
So...being that it has the possibility of costing money in the resale market later it is a valid concern. Especially when buyers are paying MSRP or more in the first place with no rebates, employee/supplier discount etc.
In this respect it would be nice if GM would pony up on this issue and quench the speculation one way or the other since we are getting to the point of people putting the money on the table for their new car.

Good point DB, but are people complaining because they have to have the pretty blue lights or are they complaining because it's going to make them more money when they sell? I don't believe anyone on this website who says they are only buying this car to sell it for more in the future, but still a very valid point and you're right maybe some people are thinking this.

[BigSlik]

I think it is pretty safe to say that if there was any news on the ABL, CamaroScotty and Fbodfather would be all over it. And since I haven't heard any official news from them yet, I'm not worrying...(yet)

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

March 16th. It was Feb. 16th. They don't publish dates like that in case they have to delay them...which they had to. Kinda like how you don't engrave the year onto a cornerstone till the building is completed. Taking out that cornerstone if you need to take longer is a b****!!


Talk to your dealer. Or search this site. This is still pre-production ordering time (or right at the end of it), they do not publish such detailed info till the car is in full swing and rolling off the line. Can you imagine letting American know they can order a Camaro...and then tell them: "Due to recieving 50,000 orders, you won't get yours till March of 2010."


I apologize in advance for my "curt-ness".

When people stop demanding more details like spoiled little babies...I'll stop reminding them of when we were told all the information. I'll stop reminding them of how extraordinary it is to be included this earliy in the game. I'll stop reminding them about how things can change unexpectedly. I'll stop reminding them of the risks of PRE-ordering a vehicle, and why it's never publicized.

In short, there is nothing they are including on the car right now that your dealer cannot tell you how much it costs, and click that 'submit' button for you. If someone's dedicated enough to this car to order so early, then I'm sure they're dedicated enough to take a drive down to their local dealer. I do agree that GM did not contact us all personally with a price breakdown for every nut and bolt, though. How rude of them.

You said name things that aren't on the chevy.com/camaro site so I did. I know we can find those answers elsewhere so I used those as examples on why that site is completely shameful.

You might consider the existence of a significant interior feature a small detail but many other people disagree.

How come 3rd parties can make camaro builders but GM cannot?

When are these no longer "PRE-orders"? To me, when orders are being finalized (as some Canadian orders reportedly are), that's it.

Again, why can't they just come out and say what's up? Why is that so hard? Scott has taken the time to tell people to stop worrying and tell us that they're working on it but in those same number of words or less could've (not saying he's allowed to) just told us what the deal is and none of this would exist. Whoever is making the decision to keep us in the dark on this needs to rethink their veil of secrecy. Shoot, Number 3 hinted that he knew the answer but didn't want to say anything due to fondness for having a job.

[russb8903]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

When people stop demanding more details like spoiled little babies...

x1000

[jtaack]

LMAO!!! This is just classic....We have about 30 threads just like this and nobody knows what's going on! This is obviously a big issue to many people....The truth of the matter is that GM is still in negotiation with the aliens for their ABL technology....

I hope the MIB deliver my Camaro to me....

[Rodrunner]

The ABL is very important to me too. I just can't understand why GM advertised it so boldly in print and with pictures back when, if it's still in development now, it must have been only preliminary in design. That was surely a mistake.
Nonetheless, we are now at this point of uncertainty about the ABL, and I can't help but believe that GM is not providing any further information because THERE IS NONE. I'm certain Scott would like nothing better than to come on here and tell us that all has be solved and it's a 100% go, but that's not the case. It's obvious they simply don't know themselves if it will be ready, and if so to what extent. Complaining about them not knowing the unknown is pointless, even silly.
I will deal with it not being ready when that has become fact, and I won't be a happy camper, but I will deal with it. I hope that is the worst news I get in '09.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

You said name things that aren't on the chevy.com/camaro site so I did. I know we can find those answers elsewhere so I used those as examples on why that site is completely shameful.

I'm sorry...I'm tired, and frustrated. I shouldn't have snapped. Still...it's not shameful. It gives the general public everything they need to know, and nothing they don't.

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

You might consider the existence of a significant interior feature a small detail but many other people disagree.

No I don't. I like ABL. And in fact, it was a major player in whether I get a 2LT or a 1SS for a while. I understand the desire for this feature very well. In terms of the big picture, though...it isn't worth misleading the public in any direction by posting yea or nay on any site, nor is it worth delaying the car.

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

When are these no longer "PRE-orders"? To me, when orders are being finalized (as some Canadian orders reportedly are), that's it.

Pre-orders, as in before production. Once they plant fires up with full-production models, then it becomes regular ordering. Up until then, they can't build any ordered vehicles, so they have this built-up cue to complete...and in the case of a enthusiast-followed car...that cue gets big...fast.

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Again, why can't they just come out and say what's up? Why is that so hard? Scott has taken the time to tell people to stop worrying and tell us that they're working on it but in those same number of words or less could've (not saying he's allowed to) just told us what the deal is and none of this would exist. Whoever is making the decision to keep us in the dark on this needs to rethink their veil of secrecy. Shoot, Number 3 hinted that he knew the answer but didn't want to say anything due to fondness for having a job.

Misrepresentation is a slippery slope. And when you yourself don't know how something is going to pan out, you cannot give an answer to a group of people who hinge on your every word as gospel.

I'd say the lack of communication about this feature was of our own making, actually...how out of control did 75% of this forum act when news of a paltry 4 week delay made the headlines? We panic much, much to easily and speculate much, much to wildly.:(

[StoutFiles]

When people stop demanding more details like spoiled little babies...

How are we spoiled for wanting to know if something we paid for is going to be on our car? If I upgraded from a 1LT to a 2LT for ABL, and then didn't get it how it's pictured on Chevy's website, I have no right to be angry?

This isn't a couple of dollars...this is thousands of dollars for an upgrade, the interior atmosphere, and future resell value. It IS a big deal. They are pulling orders very soon...orders that won't be able to be changed...so we deserve all the info NOW. I see nothing spoiled about wanting to know if we're getting what we thought we paid for.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

How are we spoiled for wanting to know if something we paid for is going to be on our car? If I upgraded from a 1LT to a 2LT for ABL, and then didn't get it how it's pictured on Chevy's website, I have no right to be angry?

This isn't a couple of dollars...this is thousands of dollars for an upgrade, the interior atmosphere, and future resell value. It IS a big deal. They are pulling orders NOW so we deserve all the info NOW. If they can build the car they can tell us what we're getting on it.

We're spoiled because so far...with all the good things about the car, they've told us about. And when we encounter a hiccup, we flip out like a kid who just got his candy taken away. (see; production delay thread). We don't want to understand (some of us, rather) that they don't HAVE the info now. You think they're keeping it from us because they're mean and nasty? Frankly, you took the risk of pre-ordering a vehicle before the engineering was complete and the design was 100% locked in (as of production day). You have every right to be upset if - IF - something goes wrong that you didn't expect. But we need to understand the risk of pre-ordering before we do it and then complain like we were blindsided. Sorry...deal with it.

[StoutFiles]

We don't want to understand (some of us, rather) that they don't HAVE the info now. You think they're keeping it from us because they're mean and nasty?

Well...

Originally Posted by Number 3
The truth is out there..............

Speak!...........please?

Originally Posted by Number 3
Can't I like my job. Sorry

Originally Posted by kalel
Number 3,

here is what you need to do. Log in under a new username such as "Idon'tworkforGM" or "Not#3" and leave a thread with a secret code.

"The eagle has landed" means that it is a go from day one.

"Pick up that soap" means that we preorder guys are out of luck.

Originally Posted by Number 3
The eagle is taking a shower and dropped the soap.

What I got out of that exchange was "I know the ABL answer, I'm not telling you, and I'm going to have fun with it." They know what's going on...if they're still working on it that's fine, you just say:

"Hey, we're still working on it, it's going to go right to the wire. If we don't get it working, here's what will happen to your order." (then they discuss a possible delay, refund, no refund, no ABL the first working year, etc.) With that information, people can make their decision on ABL. Right now, everyone who got ABL is expecting it exactly like the website picture...they'd actually be helping themselves by being honest with their customers.

Is that really so hard? Teasing us, however, is uncalled for considering how important it is to some people.