Edelbrock SC vs Whipple?

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

Both fuel and the tune are absolutely important. Exactly why I mentioned the MSD BAP that comes with the Whipple. I wouldn't want a blower on my car using the stock fuel pump.

[BackinBlack]

Rocky,

I'm in the middle of the same research, doing it for all the same reasons (long term keeper/toy).

I visited Livernois and few other speedshops and was floored by what I saw there. Half dozen Camaros meeting or greatly exceeding 550+ RWHP. One had whipple, one had KB, many had Maggies. All of them are owned by C5 members, like Midgard's 800rwhp beast. Guys spending waay more money than I will for my Camaro SS. And I'm glad I get to live vicariously through them while they proudly represent the Chevy Camaro at dragstrips across the nation.

About the added potential of the Whipple -- are you prepared to pay to take advantage of it? You'll need to do a lot of costly upgrades to your powertrain. If you only want to max out 'safe' horsepower on your stock drivetrain then you don't need the Whipple and will end up paying more for some potential that you won't use. Basically wasted money. What's that saying about anything more than a handful/mouthful?

Have you ever driven a 500+ RWHP car? I drove one and at the end I decided that I was overthinking this SC choice for my daily driver. I will never be able to use the difference between a Whipple/KB/Maggie/E-force because I am just a average guy who loves musclecars and not a regular drag racer who gets lots of practice with heavy-throttle launches and weekend title bouts with other 500+ rwhp cars. The 'smaller' SCs will bring a grin to my face everytime without the cost of other mods to the powertrain. Exhaust, CAI and tune, yeah sure, but do I want to start forging the engine parts and upgrading the clutch, etc. That'll cost more than the SC and install itself.

And by the way boost is boost. I'm learning there is very little difference between the SCs if they are all running the same boost. Some have more boost potential than others. More boost equals more upgrading of the internals. Are you really gonna use it?

The Whipple costs a lot more, and makes a lot of noise when its boosting. Some love (require) that sound, others (like me) want to minimize it. The E-force is pretty quiet. I did not hear it whining as it delivered around 6-7lbs of boost the LS3 corvette I drove.

The whipple sound is distinctive, and my friend who has one in his Shelby can't imagine enjoying full-throttle acceleration without it.

So like others have said, decide what you want out of this car, and how you will use it, and how much money you expect to have to put in to it, and build the car to meet that purpose within those limitations. Then the S/C choices will narrow down for you quickly.

Good luck!

[Dangeruss]

While I can appreciate your points, I have to disagree with many of them.

About the added potential of the Whipple -- are you prepared to pay to take advantage of it? You'll need to do a lot of costly upgrades to your powertrain. If you only want to max out 'safe' horsepower on your stock drivetrain then you don't need the Whipple and will end up paying more for some potential that you won't use. Basically wasted money. What's that saying about anything more than a handful/mouthful?

You don't need to spend anything extra once you've purchased the Whipple. In fact it's actually a more complete kit than the Eforce. As I mentioned earlier, one of the biggest things to worry about is fuel. Going lean is the easiest way to blow your motor. The Whipple comes with an MSD electronic BAP. You'll have to buy one with the Eforce. It also runs cooler, which will most certainly affect performance, especially in hotter climates.

Wasted money? You already had a handful/mouthful when you bought the car. If that's all you want don't spend a dime and keep your car stock. You'll have all the "safe" horsepower you need.

Originally Posted by BackinBlack

I will never be able to use the difference between a Whipple/KB/Maggie/E-force because I am just a average guy who loves musclecars and not a regular drag racer who gets lots of practice with heavy-throttle launches and weekend title bouts with other 500+ rwhp cars.

From what I've seen, most of the guys on this forum are just average guys who love muscle cars. While many of us go to the track for fun, most of us aren't experienced racers reaching for trophies.

Originally Posted by BackinBlack

The 'smaller' SCs will bring a grin to my face everytime without the cost of other mods to the powertrain. Exhaust, CAI and tune, yeah sure, but do I want to start forging the engine parts and upgrading the clutch, etc. That'll cost more than the SC and install itself.

If you're not at least considering the possibility that you may need to purchase some upgrades at some point, then I'd recommend you not buy a supercharger. Chevy didn't build everything on this car to work with that kind of power. Any supercharger you put on is going to come with some risk.

BTW...my daily driver is running 606RWHP and 536TQ. I take it to and from work every day 80 miles round trip. I've put thousands of miles on it since the Whipple was installed.

Originally Posted by BackinBlack

And by the way boost is boost. I'm learning there is very little difference between the SCs if they are all running the same boost. Some have more boost potential than others. More boost equals more upgrading of the internals. Are you really gonna use it?

You may not use the potential, but the original OP might. Some of us who've already purchased and installed blowers are saying just that. When I started my build I was going to put a catback exhaust in. We've been there, and want to let him know that if he has any thoughts about going bigger in the future the Whipple is a better choice.

Originally Posted by BackinBlack

The Whipple costs a lot more, and makes a lot of noise when its boosting. Some love (require) that sound, others (like me) want to minimize it. The E-force is pretty quiet. I did not hear it whining as it delivered around 6-7lbs of boost the LS3 corvette I drove.

The whipple sound is distinctive, and my friend who has one in his Shelby can't imagine enjoying full-throttle acceleration without it.

The Whipple retails for $7300.00...Eforce is $6600.00. We all know you can get better deals on them, but in the end you are paying for a more complete blower. The MSD programmable BAP alone is worth $400.00. The fact that it's more efficient, runs cooler and comes with bigger injectors more than makes up the rest of the difference.

I'm not sure where you heard a Whipple, but I wish mine was a little louder. I can barely hear anything at all with the hood closed.

Originally Posted by BackinBlack

Good luck!

+1

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

While I can appreciate your points, I have to disagree with many of them.

You don't need to spend anything extra once you've purchased the Whipple. In fact it's actually a more complete kit than the Eforce. As I mentioned earlier, one of the biggest things to worry about is fuel. Going lean is the easiest way to blow your motor. The Whipple comes with an MSD electronic BAP. You'll have to buy one with the Eforce. It also runs cooler, which will most certainly affect performance, especially in hotter climates.


If you're not at least considering the possibility that you may need to purchase some upgrades at some point, then I'd recommend you not buy a supercharger. Chevy didn't build everything on this car to work with that kind of power. Any supercharger you put on is going to come with some risk.

You may not use the potential, but the original OP might. Some of us who've already purchased and installed blowers are saying just that. When I started my build I was going to put a catback exhaust in. We've been there, and want to let him know that if he has any thoughts about going bigger in the future the Whipple is a better choice.

The Whipple retails for $7300.00...Eforce is $6600.00. We all know you can get better deals on them, but in the end you are paying for a more complete blower. The MSD programmable BAP alone is worth $400.00. The fact that it's more efficient, runs cooler and comes with bigger injectors more than makes up the rest of the difference.

I'm not sure where you heard a Whipple, but I wish mine was a little louder. I can barely hear anything at all with the hood closed.

+1

I agree 100% with your points above. I know it's been mentioned before, but the Whipple also comes with larger injectors than the E-Force.

The BAP alone is a needed investment with any blower and as Russ stated above, it comes with the Whipple. No need to go out and buy a KB BAP.

I'm also at 600RWHP/545RWTQ and I've put about 5k miles on my car since I've had my Whipple installed and I haven't had a single issue other than wearing my tires out 10 times faster than before.

I got my Whipple cheaper than the $6,600 listed above for the E-Force and I haven't seen anyone actually selling the Whipple for the $7,300 listed. You can always find a better deal than the listed price if you look.

I'm also with you too on the noise level of the Whipple. I can barely hear mine whine when I get into it. It's much quieter than the centris and the Maggies I've heard.

To me the Whipple is a no brainer considering it is a COMPLETE kit and for all of its capabilities.

* Only twin-screw that's 50-state emissions legal
* Front entry W175ax (2.9 liters) Whipple twin-screw supercharger that significantly outflows competitions 1.9L and 2.3L roots-type systems
* Integrated design allows for oversized intercooler core compared to other smaller intercooler cores giving Whipple lower air charge temps which allows more boost and timing to be run on pump gas
* Massive air-to-water aluminum bar-plate intercooler offers more cooling than any other positive displacement system available
* Whipple Superchargers massive oversized intercooled air-bypass system for industry leading reduction of burst knock and incredible fuel economy, no ridiculous fabbed steel tubes
* Self-contained oversized oil system for dramatically reduced oil temps in even the most demanding conditions
* Exclusive 3x5 rotor combo for significant increase in airflow under the curve than less efficient 4x6 rotor combo
* Zero turn inlet allows for decreased induction losses when compared to rear inlet systems and 180deg bends
* Center discharge port for better cylinder to cylinder distribution then other twin-screws with cobbled together billet adapters and forward facing discharge
* Discharge down design allows for less pressure loss which gives more power at lower boost levels
* Top mount design allows for cooler operation then upside down SC's that conduct heat from engine and are trapped by runners and covers, causing hotter manifold temps and less power per pound of boost
* More boost at the "hit" than any other twin-screw
* Flat torque curve for incredible acceleration
* MSD ™ Fuel pump booster with pre-defined voltage curve for less pump duty cycle then other pump boosters, only supplies increased voltage when needed, others are on/off
* MSD ™ Fuel pump booster voltage curve can be adjusted by user, no need to purchase "competition" version, already included
* Oversized heat exchanger for incredible intercooler water temps
* No internal modifications required
* Completed installation looks factory installed, not some cobbled together kit with multiple billet adapters
* Kits come complete with all necessary parts and hardware for installation
* Unique oil level sight glass for easy oil level and quality check, no dipstick to bind or misread
* High flow air filter system (50-state legal filter system), coolant reservoir is maintained
* High flow fuel injectors (63lb/hr)
* Proven 6-rib belt system with heavy duty spring loaded tensioner and adjustable idler system
* Stainless steel jack-shaft with unique plastic cover for increased safety
* Instant boost at the touch of the throttle
* 3 minute pulley changes
* 1 year warranty

[GMRULZ]

Same here, my blower is quiet.

I guess the older design rear entry whipple on the stangs is a little louder?

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Same here, my blower is quiet.

I guess the older design rear entry whipple on the stangs is a little louder?

Guess so. I was surprised to hear how quiet mine was. At first I thought something was wrong with it.

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Same here, my blower is quiet.

I guess the older design rear entry whipple on the stangs is a little louder?

Could be. I actually wouldn't mind a little more whine in mine...look I just rhymed!

[IPAINTBRIDGES31]

My Whipple is quiet as well. You have to listen for it, or you would not even know its there.

[GMRULZ]

I like it quiet, nice and stealthy w/ the hood down, looks like a stock car, then the stang that wanted to run ya, (thinking you are going to be an easy kill) just got beat by buslengths..the look on his face afterwards...priceless..

[thesnoopster]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

I like it quiet, nice and stealthy w/ the hood down, looks like a stock car, then the stang that wanted to run ya, (thinking you are going to be an easy kill) just got beat by buslengths..the look on his face afterwards...priceless..

.... too bad it will be a while before I find out how it feels bot be whippled LOL

[Smart Line]

Originally Posted by thesnoopster

.... too bad it will be a while before I find out how it feels bot be whippled LOL

lhaha,
lets catch up in a few weeks and i can show ya whooped.J/k

I'm on the edge of my seat this week.

[Smart Line]

man i must get lost in post's thought i put up pictures of the E force i drove this week.and the experience,
well the "tune" must have been junk. it ran bumpy and crappy till 2k then hit with a ton of power...not that much fun to drive.

[BackinBlack]

I think the whipple guys got little defensive breaking down my post line for line but omiting the part where I mentioned I've become supercharger agnostic as a result of driving a 500+rwhp car.

Let me just say that I will defer to anyone's experience since I have not blown my Camaro yet and am still researching multiple options for performance upgrades.

The main point of my post is that for a particular camaro driver, like myself, but not necessarily Rocky, the type or brand won't matter. No one else had given him that perspective from what I could tell.

I also don't buy that one is more "complete" than the other. I think Whipple comes with the potential to build to a higher horsepower number because it more agressively upgrades the fuel delivery, but the E-force is by no means incomplete. It is designed to deliver 500rwhp as is, changing nothing else in your car and offers the warranty to back that up as long as you had a pro do the install.

That is going to be enough for a lot of others, Rocky can decide for himself if he needs more.

[Bad Dad]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

I like it quiet, nice and stealthy w/ the hood down, looks like a stock car, then the stang that wanted to run ya, (thinking you are going to be an easy kill) just got beat by buslengths..the look on his face afterwards...priceless..

mine looks like it came off the floor but run me