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*TAG UR IT* · 09-20-2007, 01:16 AM

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I'd like some answers to those questions too.

And Eisenhauer, those pix are from the silver coupe at the Dallas show last Oct. You can see the power cord hanging down from the trunk area. Oh, and you can see the silver too. If the production model will be 95% the same as the coupe, you can expect pretty much everything you see in those pix to be the same. I know...I know...true dual exhaust. I pray it stays!!!

But, looking back to the mule pix, IMO they do look similar from what you can see on the back end of the mule. Those two "boxes" at the back of the mule could be used to disguise the mufflers from the concept breaking up the "look" of what we know on the concept. I don't know...but makes sense to me.

Jak · 09-20-2007, 08:39 AM

Okey, I got a question. The bottom pic of the mule, look between the tailpipe and the trailer hitch. What are those two little red things nearest the tailpipes?
Dragoneye, I was going to say just that. It is a crappy looking shell, you'd have to be blind not to see the Camaro underneath.

Kyle.Gilmour · 09-20-2007, 09:29 AM

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What are those two little red things nearest the tailpipes?

I was also curious about that, at first thought it was fuel shutoff (drag racer in me), but was like no Kyle you are dumb, they are not switches and you don't need two. They wouldnt put that on a concept/mule anyway. The only other thing I can think it looks like is an air line for suspension ( if it were a caddy or something)

I have no clue...

Dark Knight · 09-20-2007, 10:50 AM

After being real skeptical i took a look at more pics of this mule as close as i could. I have to agree with some of ya...i do believe this is the Camaro mule. The biggest thing that convinced me was this statement Scott made not to long ago...
"The C5 Corvette was developed using, among other things "CORMAROS" -- which were C5 chassis and drive trains underneath a Camaro body. (there's one on display now and then at the National Corvette Museum)

We are certainly not going to put a Camaro out there to do early testing where you can actually see the car. (that would give the competition too much info....) So, sometimes we'll disguise the test mule.

I'm not saying what you saw was a test mule for Camaro - -but what I am saying is that sometimes, there are test mules right under your nose -- and you completely miss them!"

2001ragtop · 09-20-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

It is the 2007 NEW GM / Holden world platform chassis code VE, aka ZETA, aka Commodore, aka G8, aka Holden Ute, aka Chevy Camaro.....The last time I checked, GM also ha a couple of V8s with a bit more HP

Pete, Thanks very much for the suspension Info.

(and I hate to sound greedy, but since it sounds like you have seen everything below a Zeta platform,)

can you confirm if the driveshaft is One-piece or a two-piece unit? and can you put a pic of that on your website ?

After seeing the suspension, I do not consider a Camaro to be an ordinary car. If the design holds up, you are right. It will turn the (pony) car industry upside down.

EllwynX · 09-20-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

EDIT:

I'd like to know where the Hell these people get their "facts" from, taken from an article on Jalopnik about the Camaro Mule...
how about October '08?

How many times have they said that they need to make at least 100,000?

How do you know what engines WILL be offered?

What is a 'Z28-type' engine?

WTF is an LS8? are they making this up now?

Sorry for the rant...but that Paragraph severly hampered my opinion that this is the mule, coming from a source that says this stuff?

Regarding the 100,000 sales projection, as much as I'd like to see the Camaro sell that many (or more) a year I believe it would be more realistic to think it will sell more around 75,000 once the frenzy settles down.

With the versatility of the Zeta platform the Camaro shouldn't be threatened with discontinuation if it's #'s drop below 100,000.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 09-20-2007, 10:12 PM

I'm only parroting what I heard from multiple GM people...near 100,000 or bust.

I agree, though...that depending on how this car handles, and/or how the public reacts to it...it could very well sell between 75,000 - 100,000. The more the better.

Example (though not the same territory) - When the charger first came out...I didn't see any on the road. Now, I'm shocked if I don't see at least 2/3 on my way to work/school everyday. I hope it's like that with the 'maro...but, nix the slow start.

AirGoya · 09-20-2007, 11:01 PM

On inside line they have a quick article on these pics. They have a side pic, the only thing is that the wheelbase doesnt look long enough. They only explanation i can think of is that they arent testing anything besides the engine or somethin.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/3449

*Mr. Wyndham* · 09-20-2007, 11:12 PM

I can kinda see that...keep in mind though...the Mule was photographed at a bit of an angle in that side pose. Even the slightest angle can thow off a pictures accuracy tremendously...

daddyseth1 · 09-21-2007, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I can kinda see that...keep in mind though...the Mule was photographed at a bit of an angle in that side pose. Even the slightest angle can thow off a pictures accuracy tremendously...

True, but wow! The rear wheel base is stretched extremely low. It makes the tires look very small. Damn near like the tires are flat.

daddyseth1 · 09-21-2007, 12:52 AM

You may forget to look for IRS on this mule becuase of the rear wheel hub. I know this is just a test mule but, pardon my french, it is like being at dinner and watching someone change their baby's diaper on the table next to yours! Again, I apologize for my semantics. Whew, let me look up from this screnn and at my concept poster

Ahh, relief.

gblackwo · 09-21-2007, 11:46 AM

At least the Michigan plates make sense. That's where GM does their development work.

EllwynX · 09-21-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daddyseth1

it is like being at dinner and watching someone change their baby's diaper on the table next to yours!

OMG, I've had that happen to me!!

All I could think was 'I can't believe this ghetto-ass bitch is changing her child in front of everyone ON their table!'

MerF · 09-22-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by daddyseth1

Whew, let me look up from this screnn and at my concept poster

Ahh, relief.

09-20-2007, 10:50 AM	#46
Dark Knight Does it come in BLACK? Drives: 2001 FIREBIRD (for now!!) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland,TN Posts: 169	After being real skeptical i took a look at more pics of this mule as close as i could. I have to agree with some of ya...i do believe this is the Camaro mule. The biggest thing that convinced me was this statement Scott made not to long ago... "The C5 Corvette was developed using, among other things "CORMAROS" -- which were C5 chassis and drive trains underneath a Camaro body. (there's one on display now and then at the National Corvette Museum) We are certainly not going to put a Camaro out there to do early testing where you can actually see the car. (that would give the competition too much info....) So, sometimes we'll disguise the test mule. I'm not saying what you saw was a test mule for Camaro - -but what I am saying is that sometimes, there are test mules right under your nose -- and you completely miss them!" __________________ Good things come to those who wait

09-20-2007, 10:12 PM	#49
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	I'm only parroting what I heard from multiple GM people...near 100,000 or bust. I agree, though...that depending on how this car handles, and/or how the public reacts to it...it could very well sell between 75,000 - 100,000. The more the better. Example (though not the same territory) - When the charger first came out...I didn't see any on the road. Now, I'm shocked if I don't see at least 2/3 on my way to work/school everyday. I hope it's like that with the 'maro...but, nix the slow start. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

09-20-2007, 11:12 PM	#51
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	I can kinda see that...keep in mind though...the Mule was photographed at a bit of an angle in that side pose. Even the slightest angle can thow off a pictures accuracy tremendously... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

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09-20-2007, 01:16 AM	#43
TAG UR IT www.Camaro5store.com Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 26,544 View My Garage	^ I'd like some answers to those questions too. And Eisenhauer, those pix are from the silver coupe at the Dallas show last Oct. You can see the power cord hanging down from the trunk area. Oh, and you can see the silver too. If the production model will be 95% the same as the coupe, you can expect pretty much everything you see in those pix to be the same. I know...I know...true dual exhaust. I pray it stays!!! But, looking back to the mule pix, IMO they do look similar from what you can see on the back end of the mule. Those two "boxes" at the back of the mule could be used to disguise the mufflers from the concept breaking up the "look" of what we know on the concept. I don't know...but makes sense to me.

09-20-2007, 08:39 AM	#44
Jak Drives: 03 Dodge Dakota Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 627	Okey, I got a question. The bottom pic of the mule, look between the tailpipe and the trailer hitch. What are those two little red things nearest the tailpipes? Dragoneye, I was going to say just that. It is a crappy looking shell, you'd have to be blind not to see the Camaro underneath.

09-20-2007, 11:01 PM	#50
AirGoya Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago/Carbondale Posts: 815	On inside line they have a quick article on these pics. They have a side pic, the only thing is that the wheelbase doesnt look long enough. They only explanation i can think of is that they arent testing anything besides the engine or somethin. http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/3449

09-21-2007, 12:52 AM	#53
daddyseth1 Drives: 94 Pontiac Firebird Formula Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 247	You may forget to look for IRS on this mule becuase of the rear wheel hub. I know this is just a test mule but, pardon my french, it is like being at dinner and watching someone change their baby's diaper on the table next to yours! Again, I apologize for my semantics. Whew, let me look up from this screnn and at my concept poster Ahh, relief.

09-21-2007, 11:46 AM	#54
gblackwo Drives: 1997 Jeep Wrangler Sahara Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 1	At least the Michigan plates make sense. That's where GM does their development work.