Someone race 11' 12' gt500 vs zl1 (at strip)

[Vette TPI]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

while increasing risk. It makes ZERO sense for Ford to accept that challenge regardless of how they believe they would do and Chevy knew that.

Chevy is making it easier to knock out an overpowered car with poor tires. In no doubt the ZL1 will destroy the Shelby with the tires they keep putting on them. Ford can always scheduled the race for a time of now. As they are confident enough to put out their power numbers.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Vette TPI

Chevy is making it easier to knock out an overpowered car with poor tires. In no doubt the ZL1 will destroy the Shelby with the tires they keep putting on them. Ford can always scheduled the race for a time of now. As they are confident enough to put out their power numbers.

They have the same tires as the zl1 in a smaller size. With 300lbs less weight that isn't surprising. The performance pack actually comes with r-compound tires too. Again, a head-to-head race wouldn't make sense for Ford unless they knew for a fact they were going to win, which is never the case in any type of racing.

[Vette TPI]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

A challenge in winter when the ring was close. Too funny. You believed all the hype. Yes I have seen the few runs and the true stock run done by LPE and all the denials. I have seen the ripped up slips and the supposedly 100% stock runs. Try and run the yellow ZL1 with slicks and skinnies against a current GT500 and I'll bet you m whole garage vs yours, the GT500 with the same mods will eat the ZL1 2 out of 3. Nice talk but time is way overdue to take it vs the car the ZL1 has been supposedly built to destroy. Forget the 2013 GT500, it the ZL1's worse nightmare.

I didn't say to go run the slicks n skinnies to a stock tire gt500. Ford could still take the bait and run the two cars this year like now while they are confident in even putting out horsepower numbers. Like I said I would run stock ZL1 to a gt500. If it loses so be it, it's a straight line then take it to nurburgring. Take it where ever! Guarantee the GT500 is only dominating in the straight line!

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by radz28

I love the 'V, but there's no reason other than driver that it beat the GT500. I don't want this to be a close race, but I believe it would be, and would boil down to the driver in most cases.

We haven't seen an stock runs on DRs or slicks where they've left particularly hard. The one video I've seen on a very fast '500 run was one where the driver left like he was hit by a train. Not even the quickest ZL1 runs have been made really aggressive off the lines. I'm not blaming anyone, either. New cars, new drivetrains, not knowing the cars, etc.

I wanna' see a great driver drive both cars the same night, back-to-back.

The CTS-V is an auto, so you must be thinking the driver of the Shelby sucked? I do agree it will be close (stick vs stick), but I would not understand if a auto ZL1 did not take a 2012 Shelby 9 out of 10 times. Again, the lighter(compared to the CTS-V in video) ZL1 with more HP, PTM, and Auto should have no trouble with a 2012 Shelby.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

A challenge in winter when the ring was close. Too funny. You believed all the hype. Yes I have seen the few runs and the true stock run done by LPE and all the denials. I have seen the ripped up slips and the supposedly 100% stock runs. Try and run the yellow ZL1 with slicks and skinnies against a current GT500 and I'll bet you m whole garage vs yours, the GT500 with the same mods will eat the ZL1 2 out of 3. Nice talk but time is way overdue to take it vs the car the ZL1 has been supposedly built to destroy. Forget the 2013 GT500, it the ZL1's worse nightmare.

yep. because they would have raced the very next weekend. no planing ahead and reserved the track for spring. no way that would happen. Takes time to get the cars over there, visas, drivers, etc.

I still want to see all these claims the 13 gt500 can do. I want video evidence. I want full slips. oh that's right. for all we've got for the 13 gt500 is claims from the manufacturer. and what is it you like to say. we can't trust them? until it's on the track I'll just believe everything you said about it is just complete BS. Just more fodder for the digital waste land. keep claiming how great the car is before you see it in real life. you call Camaro owners uneducated followers and believing only hype. I feel you are doing the same thing for the GT500. Now in no way have I said it won't perform. just you are blindly following numbers on your computer screen.

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Again, a head-to-head race wouldn't make sense for Ford unless they knew for a fact they were going to win.

I really don't even know what to say about that, just wow. Where would we be if no one in history ever took a risk, just because they didn't know for a fact that they would come out on top?

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by collins motorsport

I really don't even know what to say about that, just wow. Where would we be if no one in history ever took a risk, just because they didn't know for a fact that they would come out on top?

Where would we be if every transnational corporation made gut decisions based on ego rather than logical business decisions? These aren't two guys in NHRA grudge matches, they are enormous corporations trying to sell cars and accepting this challenge would be an unnecessary risk with no greater potential reward. GM knows this and that's why they issued the challenge. They know if Ford accepts that meant they were already going to post a better lap time and it wouldn't matter anyway. If they don't accept that means GM gets to point to that and say, "look, look!"

You're completely missing the point and the logic behind not accepting the challenge. Here are the potential outcomes if Ford accepts the challenge vs Ford not accepting the challenge.

Ford Accepts

-ZL1 posts a faster lap time, extra positive publicity for ZL1 negative publicity for gt500

-GT500 posts a better lap time, positive press for gt500

Ford Doesn't Accept

-Ford doesn't achieve a faster lap time, they don't post an official time and there is no extra press positive or negative in regard to 'ring times.

-Ford does achieve a faster lap time, positive press for gt500

Do you understand why accepting the challenge doesn't increase the potential positives for Ford, but increases potential negatives? By accepting the challenge they could only put themselves in a worse position by losing or the SAME position they would be in by posting a faster official lap time. Beating the zl1 in an official lap time would have just as positive a reaction as beating it head to head, but losing head to head would have far more negative a reaction than just never posting an official lap time. It would be a poor strategic business decision and last I checked, Ford is a business.

[Betiwin]

This is the smartest thing I have read on a mustang or camaro forum about these two car in weeks. Anyone who thinks that the "challenge" was real is an idiot. It was damage contol plain and simple about 650 HP an 200mph. Now it remains to be seen if it was necessary.

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Where would we be if every transnational corporation made gut decisions based on ego rather than logical business decisions? These aren't two guys in NHRA grudge matches, they are enormous corporations trying to sell cars and accepting this challenge would be an unnecessary risk with no greater potential reward.

You're completely missing the point and the logic behind not accepting the challenge. Here are the potential outcomes if Ford accepts the challenge vs Ford not accepting the challenge.

Ford Accepts

-ZL1 posts a faster lap time, extra positive publicity for ZL1 negative publicity for gt500

-GT500 posts a better lap time, positive press for gt500

Ford Doesn't Accept

-Ford doesn't achieve a faster lap time, they don't post an official time and there is no extra press positive or negative in regard to 'ring times.

-Ford does achieve a faster lap time, positive press for gt500

Do you understand why accepting the challenge doesn't increase the potential positives for Ford, but increases potential negatives? By accepting the challenge they could ONLY put themselves in a worse position by losing or the SAME position they would be in by posting a faster official lap time. Beating the zl1 in an official lap time would have just as positive a reaction as beating it head to head, but losing head to head would have far more negative a reaction than just never posting an official lap time. It would be a poor strategic business decision and last I checked, Ford is a business.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

yep. because they would have raced the very next weekend. no planing ahead and reserved the track for spring. no way that would happen. Takes time to get the cars over there, visas, drivers, etc.

I still want to see all these claims the 13 gt500 can do. I want video evidence. I want full slips. oh that's right. for all we've got for the 13 gt500 is claims from the manufacturer. and what is it you like to say. we can't trust them? until it's on the track I'll just believe everything you said about it is just complete BS. Just more fodder for the digital waste land. keep claiming how great the car is before you see it in real life. you call Camaro owners uneducated followers and believing only hype. I feel you are doing the same thing for the GT500. Now in no way have I said it won't perform. just you are blindly following numbers on your computer screen.

I am ready to see some real world tests for the Shelby too! Its seems all these heavy rear wheel drive cars are having trouble dealing with these massive HP numbers...... soooo I really want to see how the Shelby puts all that HP to the ground. All I can think about is how the Viper and Vett struggle, even with steam roller back tires.

[8cd03gro]

Just to clarify, I was not suggesting GM is making gut decisions. Their challenge was a strategic move with no real drawbacks for GM.

[BigHemiSrt]

LOL...

Some ppls logic is outta this world!

[72MachOne99GT]

I was out driving my '99GT today and got to thinking. If I had to worry about every car that could take me in the twisties, I'd have no reason to even drive my car.

Later...

I was still driving my '99GT and I got to thinking about the cars that could take my car in a straight line. If I worried about all of them, I'd have no reason to drive my car.

Point being, quit being so DogGamned insecure about what you drive.

I'm not saying there won't be a debate about who is better at what. But some of you guys (Ford guys included) make it sound like the car that comes up weak is somehow suddenly a piece of shit.

If that's the case, then I offer to buy each and ever GT500 that loses on the strip or on a road course, and each ZL1 that loses on a strip or roadcourse, for approximately 50% of their value *that's 50% more than some of you make them seem to be worth if they lose* and I'll sell them. With my profits I'll make a website you can all join.

That's all. JUST enough Busch Light to keep my spelling intact.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

yep. because they would have raced the very next weekend. no planing ahead and reserved the track for spring. no way that would happen. Takes time to get the cars over there, visas, drivers, etc.

I still want to see all these claims the 13 gt500 can do. I want video evidence. I want full slips. oh that's right. for all we've got for the 13 gt500 is claims from the manufacturer. and what is it you like to say. we can't trust them? until it's on the track I'll just believe everything you said about it is just complete BS. Just more fodder for the digital waste land. keep claiming how great the car is before you see it in real life. you call Camaro owners uneducated followers and believing only hype. I feel you are doing the same thing for the GT500. Now in no way have I said it won't perform. just you are blindly following numbers on your computer screen.

Well said!

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

I agree, Road & Tracks CTS-V beat the Shelby, if the ZL1 did not there would be something seriously wrong

Anyone with some racing sense knows after watching this video that the Shelby is the FASTER car. The faster car doesnt always win. How is this? Cause the FASTER car was not driven as well. The V was the QUICKER car in the test but not the FASTER. The Shelby had 2.3mph on the V. They put a M6 car against a paddle shifted Auto. The Shelby was doomed from the start. You can cleary see that the Shelby lost ground during each shift.

A better test would have been to get both cars with a M6. Use the same driver on both cars and see which car he could get a better time with.

A ZL1 vs 11-12 Shelby is a drivers race, end of story. The two cars are very close to being equal when it comes to straight line performance.