Pricing/Engine/Motor Predictions

[Mr. Wyndham]

Hee hee hee I love reading these!

[Mythic]

Originally Posted by ss4bpf

huh?? Isn't the 3.6DI used in the CTS putting out over 300hp??

I mean the T4

[Krieger]

Just for fun lets use some known values and ballpark this:
(Mustang prices based on KBB 5/2008)
Mustang Deluxe Coupe: MSRP $20,445
Mustang Premium Coupe: MSRP $21,675
Mustang GT Deluxe Coupe: MSRP $27,035
Mustang GT Premium: MSRP $28,215

Approx. LPV (Lutz Premium Value): $1,500

Camaro V6: Mustang Deluxe + LPV = $21,945
Camaro V6 Nicely Equipped: Mustang Premium + LPV = $23,175

Camaro V8 Base: Mustang GT Deluxe + LPV = $28,535
Camaro V8 Nicely Equipped: Mustang GT Premium + LPV = $29,715

(http://www.crateenginedepot.com)
LS3RP (LS3 Retail Price): $6,195
LS7RP (LS7 Retail Price): $12,999

Camaro FI V8: (Camaro V8 Nicely Equipped - LS3RP) + LS7RP = $36519

Yes I know GM doesn't pay retail for their engines, and no they're not using the LS7 as far as we know. The current LS7 crate motor makes a nice price benchmark for a 500+ hp LS series engine.

[Mythic]

I would only say for GMs accounting, I figure a better matchup would be HP-HP rather than Cyl-Cyl

The base Mustang V6 is 210hp. The possible(maybe we won't have one) T4 is 260.
The Mustang V8 is 300hp. The possible V6 candidate from the current CTS is 304hp.

The V8 for the new Camaro will be at least 400hp according to remarks from GM.

[ChrisB]

How come most of you only have a 3000$ difference between base and loaded prices. The difference is always way more than that. I mean 1000$ for wheels, 1000$ for leather and then theres top end audio, all the electic options, more money for some paint colors, special exhaust, suspensions, striping.......

[Mythic]

Base Mustang V6 with Destination $20445
Loaded Out $24875 +$4430

BUT that includes a bunch of crap.
Front end cover
full car cover
Mobile-Ease Cell phone system
Power Code remote start system
SplashGuards
TripTunes - Ipod connection
All weather floor mats
Cargo Net

Take those off and MSRP drops to $23005 +$2560


GT Premium $28215
+ Every Cost Option with the Cali pkg (Bullitt is more restrictive on options) $35970 +$7755
Remove:
GT Appearance
Comfort
Interior Upgrade
TripTunes - Ipod connection
All weather floor mats
Cargo Net
Sirius
Ambient Lighting
Metallic Fuel Cap
Mobile-Ease Cell phone system

MSRP $33305 +$5090 in Options

Its hard to say what options will be available at any given level. We don't have definitive information on what engine,axle, interiors or trim levels will yet be available. Usually higher level trims will have leather standard. (G8 GT) It may be that there is an SS pkg. and it already has 2.75" dual Exhaust and a 3.73 rear axle standard. There may not be any optional exhaust or axle or any need depending on the Trim selections. Untill we know more $3k is a reasonable avg markup to play with.

[wild_weasel]

My very UNeducated guesses:

Base car - 300hp DI V6 - $22k - 25k
Base V8 - 400+hp LS3 - $28k - $32k
Top V8 - 505hp LS7 (hey, it was on the SS concept drawings so why not?) - $37k - $41k

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by Mythic

All i can find for the CTS is the 302hp V6 and the CTS-V gets the LSA ~550hp
Yes the LSA would put the Camaro HP/Tq #s in the Corvette range. Based on body Suspension differences it wouldn't be a performace hit for the Vette.
In addition, it wouldn't be the 1st or 3rd time a Camaro has had power #s in line with Vettes. Remember in '09 the Vette (ZR1) gets the LS9 with 638hp.

I'd figure $21k for the T4 as the 210hp Mustang is ~20
$27k for the V6 ('08 CTS with DI-V6 304hp +Lux&Perf pkg ~$41k)
$32k for the V8
$38 for the S/C V8 (GT500KR low $40ks)

also,
Can anyone find any docs on the '09 Solstice with a 300hp T4?
according to the 03/08 R&T the '09 GXP still shows a 260hp 2L T4
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6611

Other Current Known Engines:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...2008/08car.htm

Where'd you get all that from? the CTS is priced where it is because it is a CADILLAC!!!! if a V6 anything comes in over 30k especially a Chevrolet V6 it is going to flop around and die a very quick painful death... don't expect the camaro be priced at this level... if you do you are waaaaay out in left field...

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by ChrisB

How come most of you only have a 3000$ difference between base and loaded prices. The difference is always way more than that. I mean 1000$ for wheels, 1000$ for leather and then theres top end audio, all the electic options, more money for some paint colors, special exhaust, suspensions, striping.......

if you want go look at the G8 GT's pricing then come back... the GT starts at 29k and fully loaded goes for either 31 or 32k so in line with current pricing from GM we are guessing 3K between the 2 prices

[Sphinx002]

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[Mythic]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

Where'd you get all that from? the CTS is priced where it is because it is a CADILLAC!!!! if a V6 anything comes in over 30k especially a Chevrolet V6 it is going to flop around and die a very quick painful death... don't expect the camaro be priced at this level... if you do you are waaaaay out in left field...

I didn't say anyting about a +30K Camaro V6. My hope is that these would be nicely optioned prices

The Cadillac price is from Cadillac.com. http://www.cadillac.com/byo/jsp/cadi...=cts&year=2008 I am just pointing out that the DI-V6 we hope makes the Camaro, that is in the current CTS if you option it, out makes a 40K car.

The Camaro prices I speculated are above the base prices and in line for the comparable HP Mustang. I feel its safer to compare HP-HP rather than Cyl-Cyl. The Ford V6 is 210hp. Ths T4 in the Solstice GXP is 260hp. Expect them to be a similar price point. The Current V8 Ford is 300hp the Caddy V6 is 304. If its less and the Camaro comes in a Cyl-Cyl pricing, I will be pleasantly supprised. If it isn't, I fear no few people will be devastated.

[warbird81]

i think they will make the v6 300 horses. and make it around the same price as the v6 mustang. the mustang v8 sales would suffer even more due to the fact that our v6 will out power their v8. it is like the movie american ganster; you sale a good product for a cheap price and people who one loved the mustang now are camaro owners. Believe that chevy will make money on the car no mater what.

[warbird81]

Originally Posted by Krieger

Just for fun lets use some known values and ballpark this:
(Mustang prices based on KBB 5/2008)
Mustang Deluxe Coupe: MSRP $20,445
Mustang Premium Coupe: MSRP $21,675
Mustang GT Deluxe Coupe: MSRP $27,035
Mustang GT Premium: MSRP $28,215

Approx. LPV (Lutz Premium Value): $1,500

Camaro V6: Mustang Deluxe + LPV = $21,945
Camaro V6 Nicely Equipped: Mustang Premium + LPV = $23,175

Camaro V8 Base: Mustang GT Deluxe + LPV = $28,535
Camaro V8 Nicely Equipped: Mustang GT Premium + LPV = $29,715

(http://www.crateenginedepot.com)
LS3RP (LS3 Retail Price): $6,195
LS7RP (LS7 Retail Price): $12,999

Camaro FI V8: (Camaro V8 Nicely Equipped - LS3RP) + LS7RP = $36519

Yes I know GM doesn't pay retail for their engines, and no they're not using the LS7 as far as we know. The current LS7 crate motor makes a nice price benchmark for a 500+ hp LS series engine.

that is reasonable

[o2camaross]

I dont think there will be a big difference in the base V6 price and the base V8 price. The difference between the G8 sedan and the G8 GT is only $2,400. So im going to revise my guess and say:

Base V6(300hp) $25,500
Base V8(400hp) $28,500
Top Dog V8(525-550hp) $39,500 (includes upgraded breaks, wheels, and exterior)