Coming Soon for Camaro - Carbon Fiber CAI from Halltech Systems

[stanwilliams]

That filter does look a lot like the new Duramax elements. It cost about $60 from NAPA or we got it for about half that direct from Luberfiner at work. Should do a much better job of filtering dirt out than the gauze type filters do. If it is good enough for a diesel then it is way overkill for our Camaros. If you drive your baby on many dirt roads then worth considering.

[joelster]

Originally Posted by pharmd

^ They need to send it to them ASAP....I would certainly be hesitant purchasing any intake that wasn't involved in that test...

For any Manufacturer not involved in the test:

It shows a lack of confidence in their own product, and Consumers won't have a true, unbiased review of its performance.

Wrong.

I'd like to see how my car performs on the street and at the track, not on the dyno. A big fan pumping "shop" air into the front end is not the same as what the car sees on the road.

That big "test" from the other thread is going to leave a lot of you guys very disappointed. You are not going to see one of these CAI kits simply towering over the others. They will all be close.

[lnsjr1]

Originally Posted by joelster

Wow, a typed message from a companies website says a 15hp gain. Quick go order one right now, it MUST be an incredible piece.

Just by looking at the pics, it looks pretty much IDENTICAL to about 5 or 6 of the other CAI kits out there with the exception of the elbow looking prettier. I gather there will be some sort of shroud to better shield the unit from underhood heat.

I'm not knocking the product, just going on my observations. It eliminates the resonator tubes, and has a higher flowing filter element which add up to hp gains. Yippie do-da, so does every other CAI kit, way to join the club (albiet a little late to the party).

Some of you new Camaro owners need to realize what a piece of junk the stock inlet tract is. You can put just about anything in there and see significant gains. This CAI kit is nothing special, but it does look very nice, I will give them that.

I'd love to see a back-to-back dyno and/or track (prefer track) test between this unit and say...a Vararam or other OTR unit. I already know what would happen though, lol.

[Halltech]

Originally Posted by joelster

Wow, a typed message from a companies website says a 15hp gain. Quick go order one right now, it MUST be an incredible piece.

Just by looking at the pics, it looks pretty much IDENTICAL to about 5 or 6 of the other CAI kits out there with the exception of the elbow looking prettier. I gather there will be some sort of shroud to better shield the unit from underhood heat.

I'm not knocking the product, just going on my observations. It eliminates the resonator tubes, and has a higher flowing filter element which add up to hp gains. Yippie do-da, so does every other CAI kit, way to join the club (albiet a little late to the party).

Some of you new Camaro owners need to realize what a piece of junk the stock inlet tract is. You can put just about anything in there and see significant gains. This CAI kit is nothing special, but it does look very nice, I will give them that.

I'd love to see a back-to-back dyno and/or track (prefer track) test between this unit and say...a Vararam or other OTR unit. I already know what would happen though, lol.

We do have a cold air shroud for our system, it is just not in the picture since it is not ready.

I think you are correct about gains. The only difference from one intake to the next will be the filter and filtration. We could make more HP using a filter that is less restrictive, but at the sacrifice of filtration.

The PowerCore filter is not likely going to be our choice since it costs 3 times more than any other filter on the market, and may require tuning due to the massive surface area. So unless you are driving in desert conditions our basic ISO5011 filter will flow enough for any horsepower potential.

The Carbon Fiber unit will probably not be selected by most Camaro owners due to the extremely high cost of Carbon Fiber. Our cost on just the elbow is $200, which makes an profit impossible from a marketing standpoint. In other words, if we sold our entire CF unit at our cost, we would still be overpriced.

The plastic version will be on the market by December, and will be tested on the engine dyno at Katech Engine Development vs. stock.

We will have a built in 6" velocity stack at the end of the one piece design.

Jim

[Halltech]

Originally Posted by KMSRS2SS

Very sharp I like the look, I second the Jannetty Racing question, I for one am waiting to see the results of this test before I make any decisions.

We will be dyno testing at LS1Speed on the 7th. Presently, there is just one prototype, which we are testing dynamically with EFI Live on the road. Logging long term fuel trims is an important part of testing.

Anyone can just throw a 4" tube together with a filter on the end and call it good, but to design an induction system that works flawlessly, is a challenge.

We have been designing induction systems for the Corvette for 10 years, and send all of our intake systems to Katech Engine Development, who will be dyno testing our intake on the engine dyno, which is much more accurate than the chassis dyno. We will have both to post in the next few weeks.

Once we have actual cross linked polyethylene units in production, we will be happy to send one to the forum tester, no problem. Could someone post the link to the results so far? I have not been able to find their dyno results.

Thanks,

Jim Hall

[Halltech]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Looks great Jim. All of Halltech's Carbon Fiber stuff is expensive, I hope they come out with a standard plastic tube

I think that is the only way we will be making these. It was easier to get our carbon fiber shop to make a carbon fiber mold than it is to fabricate a plastic mold. The cost of the plastic molds are around $11,000 for starters.

Our plastic version will be in production by December.

[Halltech]

Originally Posted by Parker

Is that the same filter used on the newer duramax diesel 2500 & 3500 trucks?

It is the Donaldson PowerCore filter used in the ZR1 and Z06 only larger. Unfortunately this filter is causing to many issues with long term fuel trims due to the low resistance to flow. It is almost as if you were to take the filter off altogether, which causes extreme turbulence at the Hitachi MAF meter.

Dynamic road testing is the only way to be sure you have no long term issues. We have over 1000 miles on this prototype to date, with perfect street manners.

We have a filter now that is working perfectly with no tuning issues whatsoever, meaning you need no tuning at all. The PowerCore would necessitate programming, and few will want to do that.

Our plastic version will be under $400. We will likely have a forum sale once they hit production in Dec.

Jim

[jrpxxii]

Just ordered the CF unit. How long before this unit will ship? This car is my project and I am sparing no expense on anything and getting everything I want. Should have everything completed next week to start making some runs and see what I get. I am expecting approx 650-675hp on the dyno when it is tuned. Now if we can only get some gears and other driveline parts available.

[Halltech]

Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Just ordered the CF unit. How long before this unit will ship? This car is my project and I am sparing no expense on anything and getting everything I want. Should have everything completed next week to start making some runs and see what I get. I am expecting approx 650-675hp on the dyno when it is tuned. Now if we can only get some gears and other driveline parts available.

We are completing the second section of the Carbon Fiber tube this week. We are testing everything on Oct. 7th at LS1Speed in IL.

We will not charge your card until we ship, which should be in about 10 days or less.

The filters are going to be ISO 5011 Certified for 99.8% filtration efficiency. The larger PowerCore filters seen in the pics are going to be too restrictive for our needs and require programming. We are into the high performance arena, off the edge a bit, with a 660 HP E85 Z06 built by Katech as our daily driver, we understand you needs. That is our grocery getter:

[Halltech]

One more thing that we now have available:



FAST claims 14 hp/11 lbs-ft on the LS3. Katech dynoed ours (LS7 version) and we got major power. 14 HP and 20 lbs-ft. This dyno was done our our Super BeE85 prior to tuning and 102mm FBW billet throttle body:

[Halltech]

We will have final production pictures next week. The PowerCore filter is out. We were unable to keep long term fuel trims down with this filter. According to the mfg. the center of the PowerCore has a rubber plug which creates a void in airflow, which causes lean codes.

The filter we are using is our ISO5011 Certified 8 layer 9" filter, which has perfect long term fuel trims for those that are not interested in lean codes. This filter and induction system has better power delivery and will be available with the "no programming" version, and "programming necessary" for those that want the Halltech Hornet 102mm MAF. We have two of these presold to forum members installing Blowers, so the Programming issue is a moot point.

Our heat shield is pending, but the rest of the carbon fiber induction will be ready for production and delivery next week.

Our Cross-linked polyethylene version is in mold stage and will be released in December, maybe late November. It will utilize the same ISO5011 filter seen on the first post.

We have been manufacturing Corvette induction intakes for over 10 years, and the Camaro line is new for us, but when we saw the Corvette C6 LS3 motor in this ride, we had to have one!


Jim

[Halltech]

This is the Halltech Hornet 102mm MAF. It has been used in conjunction with our Z06 and LS3 Killer Bee for several years now. The Killer Bee is the Katech Performance choice for their Track Attack and Street Attack packages. They also use our C5 Venom intake on all C5 builds. It is 103.5mm at the ingress and 102mm at the egress.








This is the filter that came through with flying colors. Dyno testing should be this week.

[Halltech]

Originally Posted by Sean@Phastek

Looks awesome guys, can't wait to see it in person!

The final piece to the induction system will be done Friday. I will get some great shots of the first full carbon fiber induction system on the market for the Camaro.

14 RWHP/10.6 lbs-ft. with horsepower now equal to what we see from the stock Corvette C6.

This dyno shows our Yellow Jacket vs. a competitor's CAI on a different Camaro with headers, high flow cats, and exhaust



Here is our direct comparison to our stock run:

All pulls were done without programming, and done back to back with just a few minutes between pulls.

One very interesting observation was the second and third pulls to the last. We programmed the ECM and installed our 102mm MAF housing used on the Z06 Killer Bee intake. The tuning was strickly MAF scaling to reset the long term trims. Zero gain in power. We suspect that the stock size diameter of 97mm is sufficient for airflow to the LS3, as long as the filter is not restrictive. In SuperCharged applications the Halltech Hornet 102 MAF will definitely provide the flow necessary for 700 HP and up, but it is overkill with a 90mm throttle body and a motor in stock configuration.

The good news is programming is pretty much a waste of money on this car, unless you have mods beyond an intake.

Jim Hall

[Halltech]

The LSXR intake painted by Katech Performance, and the 102mm Throttle body on our 660 HP E85 Z06:



http://www.halltechsystems.com/product_p/yj102.htm