4 The Captain: My Review of the new Cadillac SRX4 3.0L

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by TheCaptain

I don't know what all the hate is over wagons though... like seriously, you don't think your SUV/CUV isn't a wagon on steriods? lol
The old SRX had some strong points and weak points, but i think the new SRX is a better overall package with only one (perceived) weak point. Engine size.
The engine size should be suffucient enough for what I and most of the buying public use the vehicle for, and the handling makes up in the sportiness department... so i am pleased!

A wagon on steroids would be the CTW-V (aka the CTS-V Wagon)

[SleepWarz]

I would kill for a CTW-V.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by TheCaptain

I don't know what all the hate is over wagons though... like seriously, you don't think your SUV/CUV isn't a wagon on steriods? lol
The old SRX had some strong points and weak points, but i think the new SRX is a better overall package with only one (perceived) weak point. Engine size.
The engine size should be suffucient enough for what I and most of the buying public use the vehicle for, and the handling makes up in the sportiness department... so i am pleased!

No hate for wagons on my part.. but MARKETING is 65% of the buyer's decision process. U tell people long enuff that your vehicles are the epitome of quality and reliability... and U will take over the #1 spot and leave people in denial all the while their cars are racing down the street at unstoppable speeds with blame being put on the Floor Mats instead of the shitty engineering that inevitably sent U to a fiery death.

For those who missed it... I was talking about that sorry ass Toyota

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

The RX350 competes directly with the X5 and Benz ML... Hell I can provide evidence that most consumer revies.. well here U go:

http://newcarbuyingguide.com/index.p...t=viewCat/1502

Wow.. that's a pretty broad spectrum of vehicles... and fortunately I don't many consumers who give a damn, let alone differentiate between the BMW's dynamics or any of the aforementioned competitors.

You feel free to go on believing that the RX350 and X5 are heavily cross shopped to your hearts content. Heck, I can show you a comparison between the Infiniti G37 sedan and a Taurus SHO, it certainly does not mean that those cars are regularly cross shopped.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Dude.. U can disagree all U want.. but truth of the matter is Cadillac's own GM says the platforms are different.. I'm inclined to agree with him and call what U are saying a load of crap. Even more to the point... even if the platform was DELTA (Cobalt).. hell GAMMA (Aveo)... as long as it drove and handled as well.. if not better than the X5... I would be damn pleased.

Is this the same GM that said Zeta plans were heavily scaled back because of fuel economy issues, only to later introduce a 3500 pound plus Zeta based coupe that gets better highway fuel economy when equipped with the 3.6L V6 than any other V6 powered car they offer? I just wanted to be clear, we are talking about that GM, right?

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I am not a PLATFORM SNOB... and most of the buying public, when they here Epsilon, Sigma, Theta, etc.. think of their college years and nothing else.Personally I think GM should stop naming their platforms in such recognizable (amongst internet forum goers) names... and be like the rest of the industry.. who have platforms that cause U to go to WIKIPEDIA to find out the names.

As usual you are worried about everything but what matters. Theta Premium is out of it's depth against models like the X5 and ML which would be fine other than GM's own stated mission that Cadillac is supposed to be the brand that deals with those offerings. Let me put it really simply for you, at best the SRX is an indirect competitor for the X3, GLK, and Q5 and a direct competitor for the RX. X5 and ML are completely off the radar for the new SRX.

Again, that leaves GM explaining how their BMW/Mercedes/Audi fighting brand has somehow found itself fighting the entry level Lexus offerings Buick is supposed to be dealing with. Your very accommodating reviews notwithstanding, Theta Premium simply wasn't meant to tackle prey that large.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

20,787 BMW X5 sales versus 73,641 RX350 sales certainly shows me where a company in GM's situation needs to be with it's luxury cuv

And much like GM you are still missing the point. If Caddy is chasing Lexus so be it, where exactly does that leave Buick? The world only needs so many mainstream car companies.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Sorry.. but truth of the matter is that Lexus is all over the place. The LS460 certainly competes with the 7series and S-Class... the LX570 certainly competes with the Escalade, Range Rover, and GL450. The IS certainly competes with the 3 series and C-Class.

I never said other wise, Lexus competes against various luxury manufacturers, but they do compete against luxury car makers exclusively. GM apparently cannot decide who competes against what and just how luxury Buick is or isn't. GM is the one who pitched Buick against Lexus, not I. If they changed their mind then they need to explain to the world how their product plan will accommodate a Buick that is no longer tasked in that manner.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

The fundemental differences that GM was talking about in relation to the Cadillac and Buick brands pretty much boils down to PRICE and PERFORMANCE. Even if Buick were to get a smaller CUV like the Saab 9-4X.. I'm pretty sure that it can be tuned to be softer and less sporty than than the SRX. which is damn sure a Sport tuned Luxo CUV. With a lil more juice... I guarantee would run with the X5 and even Cayenne. It damn sure handles as well.. at least in AWD config.

Have you ever even seen a Cayenne or X5? Wow. Frankly, the SRX isn't even a match for the Q5.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

More BS

This is from C&D Review from 2007... almost 4 years after the SRX had been on the seen

Introduction
Eighth Place: Land Rover LR3 HSE
Seventh Place: Volkswagen Touareg V-6
Sixth Place: Volvo XC90 Sport
Fifth Place: Lexus GX470
Fourth Place: Mercedes-Benz ML350
Third Place: BMW X5 3.0si
Second Place: Cadillac SRX AWD V-8
First Place: Acura MDX Sport
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...xury-suvs.html

From Article:
We’ve loved Cadillac’s SRX since we first set foot in a prototype early in 2003. Later that year, an SRX won a C/D comparo, beating a Porsche Cayenne S, no less, likely the first time a Cadillac ever humbled anything conceived in Weissach. Then this chiseled-nose crossover went on to earn 5Best Truck honors — three times.



It lost to the MDX basically because the MDX was brand new.. and the MDX had slightly better overall performance.

As for why the SRX failed on the market place... I will use my wife's own words.. with pictures...

"It looks like a wagon.. and I'm American.. I don't wanna be seen in a wagon..." Cmicasa's Wife

Let me rehash, I said the problem with the SRX was GM's execution of the same and not the segment, to which you replied with a list of accolades the SRX won from auto journalists after which you point out that the SRX's problem is that it is effectively a wagon with a lot of ground clearance.

Think about this a second. Who made the SRX look like a wagon with a lot of ground clearance? That's right......GM. So given, this, would how the SRX looks be a part of the execution of the product? Exactly. GM's problem with the SRX was execution, and the problem with that execution, which I thought was obvious, is that the first gen SRX looks like a wagon with a lot of ground clearance.

As for the accolades GM won with the SRX, how did that translate into sales? Once again you, like GM, are far too worried with how the cars fare with the journalists and not nearly enough with whether or not people actually buy the cars.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by syr74

As for the accolades GM won with the SRX, how did that translate into sales? Once again you, like GM, are far too worried with how the cars fare with the journalists and not nearly enough with whether or not people actually buy the cars.

Doesn't look like the new SRX will be getting the same amount of accolades this time. I blame it on the 3.0 engine.


2010 SRX come dead last in comparison

http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies/...mktid=cj260233

[THUMPER20X]

A local Lexus dealer to me had one and was comparing it to the new RX and the Caddy was getting far more attention and praise. It doesnt even have a bad angle and the interior is one of the best laid out LUV's in the past 10 years.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Doesn't look like the new SRX will be getting the same amount of accolades this time. I blame it on the 3.0 engine.


2010 SRX come dead last in comparison

http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies/...mktid=cj260233

OOOOH Edmunds had an issue with an American car... I guess I won't buy it then YEAH RIGHT!!!! Edmunds once managed to get a Z06 to do 0-60 in 4.5secs... Yeah I said a Z06... 4.5seconds. I don't even have a Z06 and I can get my Vette to 60 in under 4 seconds.

Guess what Domestic-Hater... Cadillac would get my money over ANY of those German or Swiss makes.

Funny thing is that most of Edmund's dislikes seemed to stem from the fact that GM screwed up and only had a pretty standard vehicle for testing. I drove a loaner that had more options.. including AWD

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by THUMPER20X

A local Lexus dealer to me had one and was comparing it to the new RX and the Caddy was getting far more attention and praise. It doesnt even have a bad angle and the interior is one of the best laid out LUV's in the past 10 years.

U sound like a smart person... please rub off on the haters

[THUMPER20X]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

U sound like a smart person... please rub off on the haters

Far from smart lol. But seriously it is right up there with the MDX RDX RX and even the MKX if not better. As far as the Mercedes or BMW equivelants I would not touch them for anything. I used to service them and they are piles, seriously the ML series is a line of catshit in a litter box. I would drive a Sorrento or some crap like that over an ML. And definitely not Land/Range \Rovers. Those are epic cans of smashed assnuggets.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by THUMPER20X

Far from smart lol. But seriously it is right up there with the MDX RDX RX and even the MKX if not better. As far as the Mercedes or BMW equivelants I would not touch them for anything. I used to service them and they are piles, seriously the ML series is a line of catshit in a litter box. I would drive a Sorrento or some crap like that over an ML. And definitely not Land/Range \Rovers. Those are epic cans of smashed assnuggets.

I agree.. but expected reliability is not ever a factor in these magazines testing and decisions. Create a thread about how an Escalade was overall a superior Luxo SUV to a Range Rover and U will see what I mean.

[THUMPER20X]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I agree.. but expected reliability is not ever a factor in these magazines testing and decisions. Create a thread about how an Escalade was overall a superior Luxo SUV to a Range Rover and U will see what I mean.

LOL no comparison. A Yugo GVX is more reliable than a Range Rover. You see only dumb celebs driving them................theres a reason for that. They're stupid.

[TheCaptain]

Originally Posted by THUMPER20X

LOL no comparison. A Yugo GVX is more reliable than a Range Rover. You see only dumb celebs driving them................theres a reason for that. They're stupid.

Hehe, the chiropractor i go to just "gave up" on Cadillacs and went to a Range Rover. I told him i hope he likes going to the dealer. He asked why...

Not even one month after he bought one, it had to go back to the dealership for a powertrain related failure, under warranty . I asked him how he liked it so far! You should have seen his face!

[DGthe3]

Isn't Land Rover the least reliable brand out there? If not, I'm sure they are in the bottom 10%

[Mindz]

Why doesn't the UK have any computer manufacturing companies?

They can't make them leak oil yet...


There is some truth to this joke. I really like the Land Rovers, albeit the old discoveries and the new Range rovers.

As for the SRX. My fiancee is in the market for a smaller SUV and her top two choices are a well equipped RDX, SRX or MDX.

She wants a 6 cylinder and nav, but doesn't know anything about the cars aside from a quick comparo I did with building/quotes from websites.


I'm in agreeance (is that a word?) with her though. My top two choices would be SRX and MDX for sure.