Calling JohnnyCamaro from GMPP! If GMPP offered longer stripes, would you buy them?

[70 COPO]

I already said in an earlier post that with Black stripes (given that the mail slot was also black) the addition of the stripes was zero a sum gain for cosmetics on the front of the car.

When you add different stripe colors (other than black) that is when big nasty things start to happen with the looks of the front of the car with a short hood stripe. This happens because there as there is no color binder/transition for the eyes to blend the mail slot into the front of the car. In this situation absent the long stripes your eyes are drawn to the faux mail slot hood scoop and things start to clash.

By the number of personal attacks that continue because I post up my opinion on this product - I am getting the feeling that some of you feel threatened in some way by the truth.

I get the feeling that some of you may just want me to "go away" as you continue to attempt to shift the conversation from the stated thread topic/Poll to "thaught you already Cancelled your car" .

Thats fine, but I predict two things: 1. That Chevrolet does not like to see that attitude from you, and 2, That there is a buying segment of people who feel just as I do - and the poll numbers continue to reflect that although they may not feel strongly enough not to buy a car, however the unknown is the number who will see the car and not buy one later in the important year 2 and 3 of production. That is why if there is a valid cosmetic issue with the car it gets discussed now.

Gentlemen one more thing: Two other people that I know ordered 2010 Camaros based upon my recommendation - just after I ordered mine. If I would have not been initally "giddy" about the car I would have not ordered and there would be three less orders RIGHT NOW. I have great respect for this hobby and for Chevrolet and GM. I want what is best for both. If I need to Pass on my car - that decision will soon be made -but in all fairness the treatment I am getting here and continue to get is unfair and needs to stop - unless you like having your attacks on display for Officials at GM and the Camaro Brand Team.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I can't believe there is this much of an issue over 5 inches of stripe...I'm very sorry, I just don't get it at all.

Yes, I like them less than I like the concept convertible/Bumblebee stripes. No doubt about that. But all this collectible and '69 stripes talk is just silly. Of all the feature about this car...to bother complaining that the stripes aren't identical to the car 40 years ago is just crazy to me. Last I checked it's 2010, NOT 1969, so who cares what style stripe they put on the car!! It's not going to effect anything except the very few buyers who are so infatuated with them that not having their style stripes is enough to walk away from the entire car...that's absolutely ridiculous, to be frank -- the 5thgen Camaro has too much to offer for me to fathom stepping away because of stripes.

I'd attempt ask people to please stop making such a BIG deal about it, because...believe it or not, it ISN'T the end of the world. But if I do...I may be branded as an arrogant elitist working for the 'man' by personally attacking people in order to squelch their opinions, erase their thoughts, and deny their right to life and free will!! ..........As opposed to a guy who is simply fed up with reading so many posts about such a non-issue.....

Linking through Google usually doesn't work, as things change in the URL code from time to time. I'm confident that flickr link will work so long as the album-'owner' keeps that picture in there.

You do agree with most of us about the stripes which is a good thing however you don't want to fight for them to be changed which is your right not to do. I for one would have ordered the stripes had they been like Bumblebee's however since they are not, I will get the Camaro without the stripes package at GM's loss. If GM wants to make some extra easy money, changing the stripe package would be an easy way to do it as most of us here would probably change the order to get them. The rest of the people on this forum are either going to paint their own professionally or stick with no stripes at all..

What I don't understand is someone canceling their order for the Camaro because GM isn't offering the stripes exactly as they want it. Furthermore I find it hard to believe that a collector of classic Camaro's of all things would cancel the order for something that can easily be done by numerous people for about the same price and painted for a little more. If you don't like the stripes the way they are, it is OK to have polls like this one in this forum showing an interest by actual buyers and it is OK to ask GM to change them while we all still can before they go into production. This is no different than asking for the color Blue to be offered on the SS model which has come to fruition thanks to all of us.

Even though the stripes package may never change, we can all hope it will and continue to support this thread and others asking for the longer stripes. And if you decide to cancel your Camaro order, let us know where because there are forum members who would love to take your place in line...Peace

[70 COPO]

Thanks. A Good and fair post

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

By the number of personal attacks that continue because I post up my opinion on this product - I am getting the feeling that some of you feel threatened in some way by My opinion.

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[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

By the number of personal attacks that continue because I post up my opinion on this product - I am getting the feeling that some of you feel threatened in some way by the truth.

Nobody is "attacking" YOU. And I don't believe any of us are threatened by some "truth". We just cannot believe what a big deal you are making about these stripes. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, of course, but the offered rally stripes still look GOOD, so it's beyond us to try and figure out what makes 5 inches of stripe more important to you than entire car. So many people are offering up their opinions...as this is ridiculous to many.

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

I get the feeling that some of you may just want me to "go away" as you continue to attempt to shift the conversation from the stated thread topic/Poll to "thaught you already Cancelled your car" .

We don't want YOU to go away....let me restate that: we DON'T want you to go away. We want this issue to go away; cancelling over stripes is a crazy thought that many of us just can't understand...and many just don't want to hear it anymore. But this is a forum, and the nature of the beast is to respond and unintentionally keep the issue alive...

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

Thats fine, but I predict two things: 1. That Chevrolet does not like to see that attitude from you, and 2, That there is a buying segment of people who feel just as I do - and the poll numbers continue to reflect that although they may not feel strongly enough not to buy a car, however the unknown is the number who will see the car and not buy one later in the important year 2 and 3 of production. That is why if there is a valid cosmetic issue with the car it gets discussed now.

You don't think Chevrolet has done studies of this sort? Tryed to gauge public interest to determine if any added costs would pay off through sales? Even if they haven't; this first run WILL do that; so we'll see about your prediction.

Yet somehow...I doubt the style of stripes will negatively effect sales more than an increased cost will. Especially when many here, since we're referencing polls, like the new stripes just fine! This poll shows nothing other than a willingness to buy more expensive Bumblebee-style stripes if offered. Post up another poll and see who will CANCEL their car because of them...again, I think it'll be next to nobody.

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

Gentlemen one more thing: Two other people that I know ordered 2010 Camaros based upon my recommendation - just after I ordered mine. If I would have not been initally "giddy" about the car I would have not ordered and there would be three less orders RIGHT NOW. I have great respect for this hobby and for Chevrolet and GM. I want what is best for both. If I need to Pass on my car - that decision will soon be made -but in all fairness the treatment I am getting here and continue to get is unfair and needs to stop - unless you like having your attacks on display for Officials at GM and the Camaro Brand Team.

That's great that you like the Camaro, and reccomended it to others!! The more the merrier!! I'm sure many at GM/Chevy are loving hearing that.

As for your "treatment"...you are not the first to post up out-there opinions on the car. And deciding to cancel the entire Camaro over a little stripe issue ranks up with the craziest of threads; so you cannot expect anything less than a bunch of cynical reponses. Again, nobody's attacking YOU (if they do, let a moderator know, and we'll take care of it asap.) You like the Camaro, and that's all that matters. What people are posting are simply crazy responses to a crazy concept.

Besides, do you think the Camaro team enjoys hearing about how ugly their stripes are when there's next to nothing they can do about it? And then read about how someone would cancel the entire order over them? Yeah...that's a fuzzy feeling.

[Txturbo]

I can understand 70COPOs position. To Diehard collectors/restorers, it is a big deal. I mean, in that circle, overspray in the correct places is a big deal as well as bolts with the correct symbols on them, even if they aren't visible.

[PYROLYSIS]

I'm happy with the current length of the stripe package, just wish they were offered in red.

[70 COPO]

Originally Posted by Txturbo

I can understand 70COPOs position. To Diehard collectors/restorers, it is a big deal. I mean, in that circle, overspray in the correct places is a big deal as well as bolts with the correct symbols on them, even if they aren't visible.

You nailed it. Thanks for your support.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by Supermans

What I don't understand is someone canceling their order for the Camaro because GM isn't offering the stripes exactly as they want it.



Furthermore I find it hard to believe that a collector of classic Camaro's of all things would cancel the order for something that can easily be done by numerous people for about the same price and painted for a little more.

I understand this aspect as they would want the car completely original. He just wants longer stripes. But, I don't think the value of the vehicle will go down over a 5 inch addition of stripes. Why not base the purchase off the silver coupe? No stripes on that puppy....and nothing to worry about.

If you don't like the stripes the way they are, it is OK to have polls like this one in this forum showing an interest by actual buyers and it is OK to ask GM to change them while we all still can before they go into production.

Which is exactly why I started this poll. I am happy with the stripes although I won't be getting them from the factory...I'll be having them painted.

This is no different than asking for the color Blue to be offered on the SS model which has come to fruition thanks to all of us.

EXACTLY. If we could get GMPP to offer the stripes for the 70 or so people that want them (and I know there would be a lot more...just commenting and using that # from this thread) and are offering to pay more for them, so be it! We won! I want everyone to be happy with their FACTORY STICKER options. Remember, if it does not happen, it is not he end of the world. There will be plenty of SS's that will be collectors items. Whether or not you want in on that remains to be your decision. NOT the decision of GM.

Even though the stripes package may never change, we can all hope it will and continue to support this thread and others asking for the longer stripes. And if you decide to cancel your Camaro order, let us know where because there are forum members who would love to take your place in line...Peace

You see...COPO, I don't dislike you at all. Not at ALL. I dislike your "threat" to cancel your order over something as minor as this issue (VERY minor in comparison to a b-pillar, etc which again, I would think would have been more of an issue for you since you want it to remain "true to the concept." I have not heard a single OTHER person say they would not buy the car over this issue.....not one. I can understand a multitude of issues as I brought up before. I mentioned b-pillar has changed from concept to production. I mentioned side air slits have changed, gas cap has changed, rear bumper has changed, etc and you claimed those were "my issues." But, what you say is that you want something true to the original . WELL....all these issues SHOULD be your issues as well if what you want should be true to the original. These things have changed and you should be ticked off not wanting to buy. Yet, you accepted that the b-pillar was added, you accepted that the door handles changed, the side mirrors changed, etc, etc, etc and now ONLY have the stripes become an issue for you.

I think GM thought about this for a long time. I don't think they would be upset at all with me at all when I'm trying to tell you that this is a minor detail that should not be a deciding factor on whether or not to buy the car. I think they understand your point. I think they thought about this for a while. I am willing to say they thought about it at length and probably had quite a few discussions over it. But, I'd bet all of this came down to one thing....cost.

And, like GM said a long time ago, you can't please everyone. There was a 90% approval rate for this car. That means that there was a measly 10% of people who did not like what they saw for one reason or another. If purchasing a "collector item" is your true goal,

...........go buy a special edition Camaro built by a dealer with a second sticker.

Not many people will be making special editions, but I would bet anything that those would be collectors items as well. Look at Yenko....could bring in a pretty penny these days? >...uh....yeah. Any others? Berger, Baldwin Motion? Why not buy one of those and have them paint the stripes the way you want along with all the additions you want? Wouldn't that bring in more money in the long run for a collectors edition?

Personally, I'm going with Tom Henry...and want todo a special edition. I still don't know if we can do a "special edition (numbered)," but we are going to try. I want my Camaro to be unique. I want it to be something down the road. I plan on keeping it for as long as possible and I DO NOT want to sell it. I want to keep it stock (from the dealer....) and not have to do things down the road.


COPO, there are other options out there is all I'm saying. For you, you know this Camaro is going to be HUGE. Not buying it over stripes is just something....ugh..... I am really trying to explain this as well as I possibly can... There are other options and this car with or without the extra 5 inches of stripes WILL BE A COLLECTORS ITEM and you know that!

Cool?

Cool.

Now go buy the damn car!

[Moonsault]

Hi guys. I am a new member here, although I have been following the Camaro on this site for a LONG time! I just wanted to add my thoughts on this briefly. I have ordered my Camaro and am extremely excited about it. But, the stripe issue is a big one on my mind. I would love the long stripes as seen on the Concept and Bumblebee, and I think the stripe package that is available (as seen at SEMA) does not look too good in my opinion. I prefer the longer look of the Concept stripes, and the fact that they are the same width all along (regardless the slope of the hood buldge), whereas the announced package stripes start off wide at the windshield and pinch narrower toward the hoodline.

Ok, my point. Through the input, dedication and motivation of the members of this forum, GM agreed to add a BLUE color to the SS availabilty, which was previously unavailable (to much disapproval). My point is why wouldn't they do the same thing and offer longer stripes when they see how much demand there really is for them from dedicated fans like the ones on this board?

Just my thoughts. I will be keeping my fingers crossed that longer stripes will be available. If not, it is not the end of the world. I will still eagerly await the arrival of my new Camaro, but will simply cancel the stripe package and go after-market. If I am spending this amount of money on a dream car, I want the stripes to be exactly what I want. If I settle for less, I think I will always regret it.

[TAG UR IT]

^Welcome to the site!

I hope the option of longer stripes presents itself to you as well.

If not, THANK YOU for still wanting to buy the Camaro!

[70 COPO]

Positive Messages is what we need. and a fix to this situation is the best way to go.

BTW just today I spoke to another guy that owns a Roofing Company (Scott S. Knows him Well) He also collects Camaros and wants a 2010 Orange W/White stripes to match some like colored cars in his collection. Then the topic got around to the stripes and when he found out they were hood only his wife said "no way".

So I guess I am not alone in my position and I stand by it. TAG UR IT, with respect to your assertion that I am making a "threat" clearly it is not and in reality simple customer choice, and my feelings in this matter are firm.

I based my original decision to order the car on the rally stripe shown on the accessory board at INDY, which is still floating around right here on this site, so I wish I would have had access to the final stripe proposal, in which case I would have never even ordered the car in the first place.

Perhaps good fortune will smile on all of us wanting a GM offering of longer stripes?? Only time will tell.

[Rodrunner]

Everyone seen the SEMA stripe pictures here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...?t=8624&page=2
I'm certainly not going to cancel my car order, but the more I look at the short stripe pictures, the more I believe I will have to cancel the Rally Stripes, and man that depresses me. But like 70 COPO said, with the stripes stopping short of the mail slot, the two don't blend, they each vie for your attention. It looks very awkward.
I can't believe GM thinks otherwise, because I KNOW they know what looks good and what doesn't. So I must assume they feel the installation of the longer stripes by inexperienced people at the dealerships would be an absolute nightmare. Nontheless, my fingers are crossed they'll find a way to overcome this obstacle and please the MAJORITY of buyers!!!

2SS/RS Black/Black w-Cyber Gray stripes/Auto ordered-10/18/08

[70 COPO]

Rodrunner,

Hang in there - I am for now. GM is aware of the concern we have, I have communicated directly with them on and about this topic. I have been notified of a request made for further evaluation of the cosmetics by the brand team. IMO...Keep your fingers crossed that the Vert delay could free up resources to timely deal with issues like proper Rally Stripes.

We will see. I have to say, the longer this goes on the more emotionaly disconnected I become for wanting the car and that is indeed sad especially when I go to K-mart and there is racks of Camaro toys all wearing long stripes. The toy makers obviously know what sells.

Time will tell if GM is able to reach deep and find a way to make the rally stripes and thus the whole car look complete.