Any V6 with 300whp?

[FutureCamaroOwner]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Hey guys... few comments from a V8 guy...

I noticed on the Janetty Racing sheet the V6 is putting 250 hp to the tires. OK, so you need a 50 rwhp gain. Sorry but NO WAY will bolt ons and a tune get you there.

I have a RotoFab, 1 7/8 headers, no cats and and x pipe... yes I still run the factory mufflers for now... and a tune. My car runs great but it only picked up about 45 rwhp with all that. Lets look percentage... I picked up 13% with bolt ons and a tune, you want 20%. Not going to happen. The headwork and cam will get you there but man thats a lot of bank to only have 300 rwhp. Should have just got the SS. (save the why I bought an LT over an SS agruement)

Another thing to consider is torque. What do you want to go FAST or get there QUICK. To be 100% honest, I could care less about HP, its the torque I want. I want to pin you in the seat. I dont care how "fast" the car is, I want it to be "quick". Look at boosing your torque. Thats where the fun comes in.

Good luck on your quest... youre going to need it!

Great perspective. What's some good ways to increase torque?

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Hey guys... few comments from a V8 guy...

I noticed on the Janetty Racing sheet the V6 is putting 250 hp to the tires. OK, so you need a 50 rwhp gain. Sorry but NO WAY will bolt ons and a tune get you there.

I have a RotoFab, 1 7/8 headers, no cats and and x pipe... yes I still run the factory mufflers for now... and a tune. My car runs great but it only picked up about 45 rwhp with all that. Lets look percentage... I picked up 13% with bolt ons and a tune, you want 20%. Not going to happen. The headwork and cam will get you there but man thats a lot of bank to only have 300 rwhp. Should have just got the SS. (save the why I bought an LT over an SS agruement)

Another thing to consider is torque. What do you want to go FAST or get there QUICK. To be 100% honest, I could care less about HP, its the torque I want. I want to pin you in the seat. I dont care how "fast" the car is, I want it to be "quick". Look at boosing your torque. Thats where the fun comes in.

Good luck on your quest... youre going to need it!

Well I didnt buy my RS, I'm just making due with what I have since my mom wont let me trade if for an SS. I can do most of the work myself anyway, but if the cost/time outways the gains then I'll pass.

And yes Torque will always > Horsepower. That's what I love about the old Oldsmobile Engines, they cam from the factory with tons of torque in the low rpm ranges.

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

Well I didnt buy my RS, I'm just making due with what I have since my mom wont let me trade if for an SS. I can do most of the work myself anyway, but if the cost/time outways the gains then I'll pass.

Who does your work??? How are those brakes, springs and sawy bars working out for you?

Originally Posted by FutureCamaroOwner

Great perspective. What's some good ways to increase torque?

Same way as you were mentioning but a cam will give more HP at a sacrifce of torque. Maybe look into a different ring and pinion set. It has incrased torque eqivalet...

Gotta run to dinner but I will be back tonight to elaborate...

[Wizzer]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

Me and my grandpa, but mostly me. He doesn't get around as good as he used to so I'm his eyes and hands when he needs something done most of the time. What I don't know he teaches me, he has 60+ years of hands on experience. We're about to put a another Sprint car together, or a super modified. Which I may or may not be driving, I have to convince my parents to let me first.

The suspension an brakes work great, it rides at 30 now and it definetly handles much better. I really want to autocross with the car. With the SS parts it lets me stay in the stock performance class and still perform better. A set of aftermarket suspension parts and brakes would put me in a modified class where I'd be eaten alive.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned changing the gears out. That should give you some instant results and it's fairly easy for a good shop to do. Notice I said easy and not cheap.

[iLLmaTic3s]

with full bolt ons. you will hit 300 if not close to it.

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Who does your work??? How are those brakes, springs and sawy bars working out for you?



Same way as you were mentioning but a cam will give more HP at a sacrifce of torque. Maybe look into a different ring and pinion set. It has incrased torque eqivalet...

Gotta run to dinner but I will be back tonight to elaborate...

LOL! You and the guys did most if the work that day. Any other time its me, or me my grandpa. He doesn't get around as good as he used to so I'm his eyes and hands when he needs something done most of the time. What I don't know he teaches me, he has 60+ years of hands on experience. We're about to put a another Sprint car together, or a super modified. Which I may or may not be driving, I have to convince my parents to let me first.

The suspension an brakes work great, it rides at 30 now and it definetly handles much better. I really want to autocross with the car. With the SS parts it lets me stay in the stock performance class and still perform better. A set of aftermarket suspension parts and brakes would put me in a modified class where I'd be eaten alive.

[ROD1]

Originally Posted by iLLmaTic3s

with full bolt ons. you will hit 300 if not close to it.

You will need a set of these then. 16 additional HP. It says so in type. http://garage.redlinemotive.com/stor...mance-exhaust/

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by ROD1

You will need a set of these then. 16 additional HP. It says so in type. http://garage.redlinemotive.com/stor...mance-exhaust/

lol

[VR Baron]

Originally Posted by ROD1

You will need a set of these then. 16 additional HP. It says so in type. http://garage.redlinemotive.com/stor...mance-exhaust/

Boy, was that some fine good old american advertising or what!

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by Wizzer

Why hasn't anyone mentioned changing the gears out.

Well perhaps you missed my post DIRECTLY before you where I told him to look into a ring and pinion set...

The gears would be a good way to go to get more seat of the pants. I have no idea what the V6 has factory but I USED TO have 4.10s in my SS, oh my lord they were awesome until the grenaded at the track but thats another story... With a change in the rear gear ratio going higher (3.45 to 4.10 in the SS) you can gain torque equivelant. The actual output of the engine doesnt change but the effect at the rear wheels does. It will be quicker off the line and run through the gears quicker. Sure there are some drawbacks. The car will have a slight reduction in top speed (who cares and actually it wont since the top speed is already computer controlled) and the RPM will be a tad higher at say 65mph. Not enough to make a huge difference though. Like I said I have zero idea what is out there for the V6 but its worth looking into. All you would have to do is have the speedo recalibrated. As the other poster said, it isnt cheap!

Do everything you talked about... LTs, freeflow cats, a good cat back, an intake and throw in some gears (which are way cheaper than a cam and head work) oph and if you have an M6... get yourself a short throw, you'll love it then get it tuned... have they worked out the V6 tune yet??? You may not be 300 at the wheels but you will be close... probably 285 whp/ 260 ft-lb wtq. You'd have quite the runner!

[PoorMansCamaro]

There's only 3.55's available for the v6. Don't think anyone has them yet though...

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Well perhaps you missed my post DIRECTLY before you where I told him to look into a ring and pinion set...

The gears would be a good way to go to get more seat of the pants. I have no idea what the V6 has factory but I USED TO have 4.10s in my SS, oh my lord they were awesome until the grenaded at the track but thats another story... With a change in the rear gear ratio going higher (3.45 to 4.10 in the SS) you can gain torque equivelant. The actual output of the engine doesnt change but the effect at the rear wheels does. It will be quicker off the line and run through the gears quicker. Sure there are some drawbacks. The car will have a slight reduction in top speed (who cares and actually it wont since the top speed is already computer controlled) and the RPM will be a tad higher at say 65mph. Not enough to make a huge difference though. Like I said I have zero idea what is out there for the V6 but its worth looking into. All you would have to do is have the speedo recalibrated. As the other poster said, it isnt cheap!

Do everything you talked about... LTs, freeflow cats, a good cat back, an intake and throw in some gears (which are way cheaper than a cam and head work) oph and if you have an M6... get yourself a short throw, you'll love it then get it tuned... have they worked out the V6 tune yet??? You may not be 300 at the wheels but you will be close... probably 285 whp/ 260 ft-lb wtq. You'd have quite the runner!

Trifecta has one. Its not worth the price for a stock car, benefits more with mods.

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

There's only 3.55's available for the v6. Don't think anyone has them yet though...

The m6 V6's like mine have the 3.27 rear end from the L99 SS. So a set of 3.73's or 4.10's for the SS would work.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

The m6 V6's like mine have the 3.27 rear end from the L99 SS. So a set of 3.73's or 4.10's for the SS would work.

That's weird. Wonder why Richmond would make 3.55's specifically for the v6 and not advertise the other SS gears for all camaros?