2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 650 HP! How will it stack up against the ZL1?

[Ltespd]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

The 2013 GT500 hits dealers lots in Spring 2012.
The 2013 ZL1 hits dealer lots in Summer 2012.

These cars are direct competitors,

Nope...don't agree. The cars you can buy and drive at the same time are direct competiors.
Also after the latest news I personally would stay away from a 2012 ZL1. The 2013 will probably be a better performer...and you don't have to wait much longer to get it. Remember the 1st year 2004 GTO? How about the 1st year Z06? The 2nd year cars had big improvements.

[Ltespd]

Originally Posted by dans776

Now put Evan Smith from MM&FF magazine in the car and I would BET (ALOT) that bone stock this car will go 11.40's...

I was thinking the same thing earlier. Let Evan Smith drive a 2012 ZL1 and a 2013 GT500 same day, same track. I'd have to put my money on the Ford.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

30 pounds for a larger engine cooloing system, a batch of additional coolers, bigger brakes, stronger diff, stronger tranny... Maybe they made them all out of ultra light weight unobtainium

We'll all see when the car is built and Ford issues the final specifications in a year of less, but I'll stand by my guess it is about the same weight as a ZL1. If it does come in only 30 pounds heavier feel free to humiliate me and my crystal ball with this post.

"Upgraded" diff and tranny don't necessarily mean heavier. You're also assuming that they did nothing in the way of lightening to counter weight added. They'd have a tough time getting around that gas guzzler tax if it weighs 300+ lbs more.

[drummer5679]

400 less lbs and no gas guzzle tax if the glue they used holds it together its game over

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

"Upgraded" diff and tranny don't necessarily mean heavier. You're also assuming that they did nothing in the way of lightening to counter weight added. They'd have a tough time getting around that gas guzzler tax if it weighs 300+ lbs more.

I'm pretty sure he is referring to the additional engine oil, tranny, and diff coolers, not just the "upgraded" trans and diff.

And I'm pretty sure that if Ford made significant efforts to cut weight in other areas, they would have advertised that too. Why would they remain quiet on weight saving measures? That would be another great selling point if it were true.

I believe 3850lbs is what a base GT500 will weigh without options. What all the performance package options will add to that in the end is anybody's guess.

[Rogan]

Originally Posted by obzidian

WHO CARES ABOUT 'RING TIMES?

Man, seriously... WTF is the fascination with ring times besides a topic to argue about on forums?

For the most part, everyone he is mostly concerned with straighline acceleration and speed. At this point, the GT500 just has more and weighs less.

Of course this was all planned by GM. They must of gotten wind of the release and planned this through. W/E, no biggie. Competition is a good thing.

Believe it or not there are folks interested in getting the zl1 for road course events. A production stock car getting supercar times on the track tells the average road courser he doesnt need to mod anything on the car for his track days.

[c_LoW29]

Originally Posted by dans776

More like about 825flwhp. There are a ton of 07-09 Gt500's that make 750rwhp aswell. The mod motors love compression and boost. Maybe you need to educate yourself about them alittle more.....8 lbs of boost on a stick car will make 700+rwhp on the coyote motor. It would take 15 with a 5.4 and 8.4 compression.

Anyways Haters gonna hate regaurdless of the facts

I'll come back tomorrow to see some more tears shed

Did you just join the forum to come and talk shit? Does no one like you on your mustang forum?

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by syr74

2012 ZL1 hits dealer lots in Spring 2012.
2013 GT500 hits dealer lost in Spring 2012.

These cars are direct competitors, Chevy is just releasing a very late 2012 model while Ford is releasing a very early 2013 model.

Here are 2 sources that say the GT500 won't hit the lots until Summer. Even more for the argument of 2013 vs. 2013 because they will hit at the same time.

USA TODAY:

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...-muscle-car-/1

“The new Shelby will arrive in showrooms next summer, slightly behind the other new redone Mustangs, at a price Ford hasn't set yet.”


Speed TV:

http://automotive.speedtv.com/articl...es-650hp-gt500

“First sales are scheduled to start by next summer, and Ford plans to launch two new packages for the car.”</SPAN>

[Wondering]

Originally Posted by Ltespd

Nope...don't agree. The cars you can buy and drive at the same time are direct competiors.
Also after the latest news I personally would stay away from a 2012 ZL1. The 2013 will probably be a better performer...and you don't have to wait much longer to get it. Remember the 1st year 2004 GTO? How about the 1st year Z06? The 2nd year cars had big improvements.

I assume you're talking about the C5 Z06? 2001 Z06=385 HP....2002 Z06=405HP.

[Tigg]

Originally Posted by dans776

More like about 825flwhp. There are a ton of 07-09 Gt500's that make 750rwhp aswell. The mod motors love compression and boost. Maybe you need to educate yourself about them alittle more.....8 lbs of boost on a stick car will make 700+rwhp on the coyote motor. It would take 15 with a 5.4 and 8.4 compression.

Anyways Haters gonna hate regaurdless of the facts

I'll come back tomorrow to see some more tears shed

You, ..a "stang" guy joins a Camaro forum to talk shit...... and we are the haters...........Ladies and Gentlemen .....I give you the Mustang mentality..

Is their a forum for people who like Ponies somewhere missing You..

Sing.. my little pony ..my little pony..

[IOMZL1]

After the dust has settled on the announcement I’ve had time to consider the upgrades to the GT500. In general they are trying to match the ZL1 where there was a deficit before. I’m not sure these Band-Aids will help all that much, but kudos to Ford for upping their game. Here are my thoughts:

2013 GT500 will probably cost more than 2013 ZL1 when you add all of the performance packages. The performance packages will be required to make full use of that 650 HP.

The electronically adjustable Blisten dampers are inferior to MR suspension. The Blisten’s are adjustable from the ****pit from ‘street’ to ‘track’. This effectively softens the dampening for the street and stiffens it at the track. While a nice feature, the MR actually adjusts dampening as you drive and is a far superior system.

How much of the HP will actually be usable in the lower gears? They have revised the gearing but how much it will help remains to be seen. I’ve seen nothing about upgraded tires. Traction issues will still exist.

GT500 Brakes are still inferior to the ZL1, although perhaps performance will be close due to the extra weight of the ZL1.

Revised gearing for traction and top speed… acceleration may not be as much an improvement as expected with that 100HP boost.

They added a splitter and front fascia to increase the downforce. Last time I checked this car’s weight distribution was already front heavy. Add 100HP… can you say oversteer in the high speed turns?

All said and done the 2013 GT500 is impressive, but maybe not AS impressive once you start digging past the marketing fluff of the press release. Let’s let the performance decide when the cars hit the streets. By the way, both the 2013 ZL1 and 2013 GT500 are scheduled to hit the dealers in the Summer (see reference articles above). That should end all talk of 2012 vs. 2013. as they are direct competitors.

[den318]

I like how everyone is admitting defeat already and looking for 2013 as the answer. The fight is over before it begins? It's not looking good, but wait for magazine results first? It looks like the drag race is over, wonder how long before Ford post a 7:3x ring time?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by dans776

Ok I'm a newbee and this is my 1st post. SO HELLO.......This whole Gt500 thing has caused quite the internet buzz today.

1st I don't wanna hurt anyones feelings, but for those who have talked about the tires not being good enough, think again. One of these cars has already been in the 11's at over 120mph. Not just 11.99 either, this is just using the launch control that comes with the car. Now put Evan Smith from MM&FF magazine in the car and I would BET (ALOT) that bone stock this car will go 11.40's with how fast Ive been told its already been. With out Drag Radials. Now bolt some radials and let bet this thing goes into the 10's no prob. If FORD is Advertising 650hp, lets be realistic that 700 or 725 with a pulley and tune change is not out of the ?

Next look at the boss 302 laguna seca and the fr500 race cars using the live axle rear end for road racing and they are doing very well. I also been told this car will piss pound a FORD GT SUPERCAR around a road coarse as will the Boss 302 with 444 hp...This car is going to be fast around the road coarse aswell......

All us Ford guys have been waitin for months on the verdict of this car and we got a HUGE HELL YEA today....

If chevy is to raise the hp on the Camaro to more than the Corvette, they are going to get a sh it storm from the Corvette guys. SO most likely that is not going to happen, be cool if it does though. Pretty impressive what FORD did and very unexpected.....Maybe DODGE can one up them both LMAO>

So your going to take a car that is already traction limited to where the average times for 11 and 12 models are 12:30s and your going to add another 100 hp and more torque to it and pick up a full second? Have you payed attention to any of the GT500 tests outside of MM&FF? My neighbor has a GT500 that is so traction limited the best he can run is 8:60 in the 1/8, he spins completely through 1st and 2nd. This new 500 will have 150hp more than his model. This thing better have a hell of a traction control system.

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

Couldnt have said it better. As soon as I got wind of this I said to myself Dodge needs to hang it up. Referring to the supercharger option rumor. No way in hell will a cast piston 392 be able to come close to this car. Especially on pump gas.

The SRT8 is dead in the water?......Dodge needs to hang it up?

Laughable stuff........

You have no idea what Dodge is planning......we all know something faster is coming....thats how the auto industry works......

The 6.1 SRT8's you guys have are already old news.....and the 392 will be also when the "answer" comes

...and you can bet they are not just gonna slap a supercharger on the current 392 as it is and call it a day....thats what guys do in a garage....