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lkurek · 05-06-2016, 09:57 AM

Wow....that sucks. A lot. However...all GM has to do is document that ANY modification was made from the factory specs, to a failed system, and that will void your warranty. Its pretty common knowledge that anytime you make any modification while your car is under warranty...you take the chance of losing coverage. Apparently the dealer you took it to wasnt working in your best interest. They clearly took pictures to document the modifications, and didnt give you a heads up to return it to stock. Elite my ass....more like screw you customer and then lie to you.

Frankly, even if you took them to court, AND you can make the case that the modifications had nothing to do with the failure (which they clearly did not), doesnt matter......just the fact that you made the modifications is enough for them to deny warranty on the drivetrain. You should still be covered on all the other systems in the car (ie you cant be denied coverage on your myLink, for the catch can), but the engine, possibly the trans and rear axle are now not covered.

Hate to be the guy that pisses in your punchbowl, but Ive dealt with the legal side of these things for a long time.....and you dont have a legal case, even if you have a technical one.

Only thing to do now....is pull the motor and build yourself a nice forged stroker

CamaroinCLE · 05-06-2016, 10:00 AM

and this is why I do not mod a car that is under Warranty. Too risky...

lkurek · 05-06-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wrtowman

C'mon guys. This isnt rocket science. Of course they are gonna deny it. Its just like insurance companies paying out claims. The burden of proof is on you to prove that you are right. Fight back. They know that this is on them but until you put the proper pressure on them, they arent going to cave in.

If you do have to get a lawyer, include their fees in your suit. You will not be out of anything because you will win.

No, you will lose, and be out even more money.

rebelyell22 · 05-06-2016, 10:04 AM

Talk to Scott Settlemire? He has to know somebody...

68rssscamaro · 05-06-2016, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lkurek

Wow....that sucks. A lot. However...all GM has to do is document that ANY modification was made from the factory specs, to a failed system, and that will void your warranty. Its pretty common knowledge that anytime you make any modification while your car is under warranty...you take the chance of losing coverage. Apparently the dealer you took it to wasnt working in your best interest. They clearly took pictures to document the modifications, and didnt give you a heads up to return it to stock. Elite my ass....more like screw you customer and then lie to you.

Frankly, even if you took them to court, AND you can make the case that the modifications had nothing to do with the failure (which they clearly did not), doesnt matter......just the fact that you made the modifications is enough for them to deny warranty on the drivetrain. You should still be covered on all the other systems in the car (ie you cant be denied coverage on your myLink, for the catch can), but the engine, possibly the trans and rear axle are now not covered.

Hate to be the guy that pisses in your punchbowl, but Ive dealt with the legal side of these things for a long time.....and you dont have a legal case, even if you have a technical one.

Only thing to do now....is pull the motor and build yourself a nice forged stroker

You must work for GM.

http://www.edmunds.com/auto-warranty...-warranty.html

qcman · 05-06-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

I thought the "new"(er) Camaro's had a 'new and improved' oil pump? Maybe this thread answers the question but is it still a failure point of the LS based engine? Especially from GM's warranty standpoint, why make a hi-perf motor with a suspect oil pump? Because you can afford better counsel than John Q. Public?

I don't think it was an actual oil pump problem but rather an issue of debris remaining in the block after machining. The debris was blocking the pick up tube and causing the the pumps to fail or something like that.

So unless the machining has improved which I don't believe has been confirmed it could very well plague all of our V8 cars especially the LS3's.

rebelyell22 · 05-06-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by qcman

I don't think it was an actualoil pump problem but rather an issue of debris remaining in the block after machining. The debris was blocking the pick up tube and causing the the pumps to fail or something like that.

So unless the machining has improved which I don't believe has been confirmed it could very well plague all of our V8 cars especially the LS3's.

Yep. Happened to my first engine.

DILLIGAF · 05-06-2016, 10:10 AM

I spent about $6000 replacing the 2.0T engine in my Cadillac ATS. Had a downpipe and tune installed. one day it began running rough, so not thinking it was anything serious i dropped it off at the dealer. Turns out there was a hole in one of the pistons, and warranty replacement refused because of modifications. Two weeks of fighting, BBB meetings, numerous calls, it didnt matter. Even the BBB took the side of GM.

Have the car fixed out of pocket, keep all receipts then take it to the BBB. They will offer you half the cost. TAKE IT. I didnt because i thought i had a case.

Stormcloak · 05-06-2016, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroinCLE

and this is why I do not mod a car that is under Warranty. Too risky...

Modding under warranty = chance of recourse depending how things are handled

Modding outside of warranty = zero recourse.

If someone is afraid of the inherent risk, I don't see how waiting does much of anything to suddenly instill confidence.

68rssscamaro · 05-06-2016, 10:24 AM

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236811

1Coopgt · 05-06-2016, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

Guy had the oil pump fail and GM is blaming the catch can so won't cover it under warranty.

That sucks . I agree Gm has to prove the CC was the problem . Which I don't think they can.

Moto-Mojo · 05-06-2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by qcman

I don't think it was an actual oil pump problem but rather an issue of debris remaining in the block after machining. The debris was blocking the pick up tube and causing the the pumps to fail or something like that.

So unless the machining has improved which I don't believe has been confirmed it could very well plague all of our V8 cars especially the LS3's.

Would changing the 'break-in' oil at 500 miles and changing it two more times in the first 3000 miles possibly have drained a few chips? Seems like it could've helped.

GrandAmGT · 05-06-2016, 10:29 AM

The OP's post was extremely long but did I miss the part where he said the engine is ruined? I thought he only suspected an issue with the oil pump? If only the pump needs replacing at this point, it seems practical for the OP to pay to fix it now and then sue to recover the costs of the repairs. This way he'll get his car back ASAP.

Criticalmass · 05-06-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lkurek

No, you will lose, and be out even more money.

Get a lawyer. you NEED to at LEAST SPEAK to a lawyer. The people on this forum do not have law degrees. I have been through this and know several who have, every single case was settled out of court to the paintiff's satisfaction.

If everything is as YOU say and they aren't claiming the Air Intake was faulty instead, this is an open and shut case. Do not stop to collect $200.00 do not talk to anyone else, do not make any decisions until you have consulted an attorney.

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05-06-2016, 09:57 AM	#57
lkurek Drives: 2015 CAMARO Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 168	Wow....that sucks. A lot. However...all GM has to do is document that ANY modification was made from the factory specs, to a failed system, and that will void your warranty. Its pretty common knowledge that anytime you make any modification while your car is under warranty...you take the chance of losing coverage. Apparently the dealer you took it to wasnt working in your best interest. They clearly took pictures to document the modifications, and didnt give you a heads up to return it to stock. Elite my ass....more like screw you customer and then lie to you. Frankly, even if you took them to court, AND you can make the case that the modifications had nothing to do with the failure (which they clearly did not), doesnt matter......just the fact that you made the modifications is enough for them to deny warranty on the drivetrain. You should still be covered on all the other systems in the car (ie you cant be denied coverage on your myLink, for the catch can), but the engine, possibly the trans and rear axle are now not covered. Hate to be the guy that pisses in your punchbowl, but Ive dealt with the legal side of these things for a long time.....and you dont have a legal case, even if you have a technical one. Only thing to do now....is pull the motor and build yourself a nice forged stroker

05-06-2016, 10:00 AM	#58
CamaroinCLE Drives: 2014 CRT LT Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Cleveland Posts: 151	and this is why I do not mod a car that is under Warranty. Too risky...

05-06-2016, 10:29 AM	#69
GrandAmGT Drives: 2010 1LT & 2016 Cadillac CTS V6 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Danville, Virginia Posts: 376	The OP's post was extremely long but did I miss the part where he said the engine is ruined? I thought he only suspected an issue with the oil pump? If only the pump needs replacing at this point, it seems practical for the OP to pay to fix it now and then sue to recover the costs of the repairs. This way he'll get his car back ASAP.