Is the WRX STI sales competition for Camaro?

[syr74]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

And so my question remains, because it sounds like he found an import that did meet those criteria that he preferred. I am not trying to give him a hard time, I was just wondering what car he is referring to.

My guess would be an RS4.

[1_2Many]

Originally Posted by drivingincamaro

i should of known




why does everyone think the camaro will handle badly?

Most early reviews of the V6 absolutely praise the handling of the new Camaro claiming it blows both the Mustang and Challenger out of the water. I think we are about to see a new track star born.

[Rman91Bird]

Originally Posted by kylepo

straight line the ss will own. in the twisties the sti will probably win but the ss has more power so it would be close. the 6 will get owned no matter what

IDK about that the WRX does a 13sec 1/4 mile, but SS top end is probably way faster than the Subaru. the WRX will DOMINATE in the turns. but they are NOT compitition 4drs, AWD and a 4cl Boxer VS. 2drs, RWD and a BIG MEAN :flag2:AMERICAN V8.:flag2:

[DGthe3]

I think we will be surprised how well the camaro will do in the turns, well some of us. And while the STi might do better in the turns, what happens coming out of them, or going in? The awd advantage only comes into play when traction is an issue, namely accelerating from very low speeds. After that, power to weight, power/torque band, and wheel torque matter a whole lot more. Plus, I imagine that those big brembos would give the Camaro better braking, if not it would be close.

[TT C6]

Originally Posted by syr74

My guess would be an RS4.

Best sedan I have ever driven. But. Audi has a history of being unreliable. If I'm spending $73k, it's has to be reliable. Also, all my other toys are manual and you can't get a DSG or manumatic in the RS4....yet.

I was referring to the G37x as the better choice over the V6 CTS4.......until GM gives us a LS3 equipped CTS4.

[karr1008]

As a former 2006 STI owner, all I can say is that the experience of tracking an AWD machine in AutoX is a hell of a ride. With that said, I do look forward on testing the SS and see how it will fare against most used track cars like the 350Z, miatas, mini cooper s and the AWD twins.

Until then, there is no way to even speculate.

[Design1stCode2nd]

Originally Posted by matt55

Summer tires dont work on any car in the snow , so AWD car still need snow tires . (I learned the hard way)

This is true it's why if I had AWD I'd settle for performance All-Seasons. You can get away with all-seasons on a FWD or AWD car but not RWD, IMO.

Its also why the S5 is still on my list. If I had a large garage or large/flat drive way I won't mind so much but as it stands now changing out my rims (like I need to do this weekend) is a pain since I always seem busy and it's not convenient.

[SS4EVER]

Just as I've been commenting on the V6 Accord vs V6 Camaro, I'll make a comment on this. An AWD Impreza WRX/STI, or Lancer Ralliart/Evolution aren't direct competitors to the Camaro, however they will be indirect competitors.

C&D did a short take on the 09 Subaru Impreza WRX and it did 0-60 in 4.7 seconds and the 1/4 in 13.5. It also has a base price of 24k which would compete price wise maybe more with the V6 Camaro... Sure from 60 it's hitting 4.7, but yeah, the turbo 4 in it isn't going to have a very great top end, so in the 1/4 it's going to lose to a SS. Same with the STI seeing their performance is so close.

On an autocross course, or on a track or on the twisties, of course and AWD car will hod it's own but on the drag strip, the Camaro SS will be the king.

Now with that said, like I said I'm considering a 09 WRX over a Camaro V6, just from knowing what I can afford right now, but... If I could afford the Camaro SS, and I will in a few years then I'll be getting one...

[CamaroSSforme]

Originally Posted by Dom

I didn't mean to offend you. Just my feelings after driving the EVO and regular WRX. I know STI has more power due to a bigger 2.5L vs 2.0L. Without the turbo it's still a 4 cylinder. So until the turbo kicks in there is just not much there. I'd rather have a broad torque curve so I can cruise at 2k with plenty of power then have a peaky narrow power band. That's just what it felt like to me. It was an ON/OFF type of feeling as far as power. I like the look of the 05. Even my friends who used to own WRXs don't like the latest generation's looks.

I don't own the WRX, but I do own the engine in my Legacy GT Limited. You are correct, below about 3.5-4K RPM, there isn't a whole lot there. In fact it's a damn hard car to launch properly (half the problem is the horrid transmission).

Apples to oranges comparing a turbo 4 at 2.5L to a 6.2L monster V8. Just look at the tq curves.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd

While I would choose the Camaro over the STI as I have no interest in a hatchback I can see why some would and here is why:

- Its practical, 5 doors and room to haul stuff while not being boring.
- AWD which if you live up north is very helpful (I get around on a separate set of snows but its s pain that many don’t wantto deal with).
- Unless you know what you are looking at it just seems like a slightly hotted up hatchback, no giant wing like the older ones. The stealth factor (like a Cobalt SS sedan) appeals to some.
- Modability, while the LS3 has lots of potential it’s just easier and cheaper to mod a turbo-charged engine.


The STI is not my cup of tea but I appreciate what it brings to the table. If I lived in the Boston burbs or upstate New York I’d probably own one. You can’t beat AWD and snow tires in the white.

Those are all excellent reasons why a Camaro is not the no-brainer most of us think it is. I like my Mustang a lot, and think the Camaro will be even better in almost every way, so I can hardly wait to get my hands on one. But for practicality reasons, the Mustang and Camaro both have their faults.

One thing I don't like about the Mustang is its size - many parking spots are simply too small for the car's width, so parking is a nightmare if you're concerned about nicks (who isn't?). And the Camaro is an inch wider than the Stang. Both are big cars, no doubt about it.

Two doors is often inconvenient. I work in an office where we go out to lunch as a group once a week or so. I rarely will drive because it's a hassle for the co-workers to get into the back seat - and consequently I sometimes feel a little guilty about never offering to drive. Well, I don't really feel that guilty about it... (Come to think of it, maybe that's a good reason to buy a two-door).

[turbocrazy]

Originally Posted by SS4EVER

The reason why the longer gearing is made that way on the WRX or STI makes it better for when racing on a track or doing an autocross event, when going around curves or what not the gearing allows access to more RPM's instead of constantly redlining and having to up shift.

But I do agree that for straight line it's not the best...

Oh and with the launch control, with 3rd party software you can add "launch control" to almost any car... The Cobalt SS/TC that has almost the same launch control that the Camaro SS has has been proven not to be the best, and it's been proven on the Cobalt forums that people are getting better launches and 1/4 times without even using launch control seeing that it just allows you to rev up to like 5-6k rps drop the clutch and take off...

That's interesting about the cobalt, I didn't even know it had launch control. However as far as the turns goes, the sti weighs more than an evo by almost 500 lbs so I would choose an evo any day. I also think this thread should be more like is the evo competition for the camaro. In case you can't tell I am anti subaru because they break easily.

[Design1stCode2nd]

Must be referring to an evo IX, current evo is like 3500-3600lbs and the STI us 3300 (off the top of my head).

[SS4EVER]

Originally Posted by turbocrazy

In case you can't tell I am anti subaru because they break easily.

.... And I was considering a 09 WRX instead of getting a Cobalt SS Turbo or a Camaro 2LT...

I always heard that the EVO had more problems than the STI... But seeing you have personal experience... what kind of Subaru did you previously own?

Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd

Must be referring to an evo IX, current evo is like 3500-3600lbs and the STI us 3300 (off the top of my head).

STI is right around 3300 you are correct... It just sucks that Subie only offered it in that ugly looking 5dr hatch and not 4dr sedan...

[Design1stCode2nd]

Originally Posted by SS4EVER

STI is right around 3300 you are correct... It just sucks that Subie only offered it in that ugly looking 5dr hatch and not 4dr sedan...

Agreed.