the actual production model will vary !?

[themossman]

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

I will be cancelling the car. It was to be an SS top of the line and a very special car. The "book end" to one of the the cars that I own that is currently on the cover of the book "Camaro 40 years". I have restored some of the greatest cars on the planet including '69 ZL-1, SYC 427 camaros many of these cars making features many major automotive publications.

Apperently a slightly longer stripe can not be offered even for dealer installation despite the option of a wing spoiler - and a ground effects kit -all of which make putting a longer decal stripe on "kids play" by comparison.

Guess that is it. Money stays in the bank. Thanks for clearing that up Scott.

This is called "cutting your nose of to spite your face."

Seriously. You're being silly.

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

I will be cancelling the car. It was to be an SS top of the line and a very special car. The "book end" to one of the the cars that I own that is currently on the cover of the book "Camaro 40 years". I have restored some of the greatest cars on the planet including '69 ZL-1, SYC 427 camaros many of these cars making features many major automotive publications.

Apperently a slightly longer stripe can not be offered even for dealer installation despite the option of a wing spoiler - and a ground effects kit -all of which make putting a longer decal stripe on "kids play" by comparison.

Guess that is it. Money stays in the bank. Thanks for clearing that up Scott.

i call Shenanigans


it makes no sense to want a car with all the factory options and then say just because the factory option doesnt go another 2 inches further that you are not going to order a $36k car.

well i was gonna buy the new camaro as a collector call and keep it completely stock as an investment 20years down the line but then i found out that the calipers were Silver instead of Red.....so i am cancelling my order.



i dont believe you, you may have another reason you arent telling us, but your crazy if that is the only reason you aren't getting the car anymore.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

The stripe issue is ongoing on multiple sites right now.

It isn't a problem here. A thread was created called "who will be canceling their stripe order" ...not "Who will be canceling their purchase of the Camaro."
You no doubt know that.

I understand some people are unhappy with the colors offered with the stripes and some are upset that they have to get them done by their dealers instead of at the factory. Yes, a few people here have been upset that the stripes don't completely go onto the front facia and around the mail slot. But, you are the first person I see here that actually won't buy the car simply due to stripes not extending down onto that front facia.

There are multiple people canceling stripes that have posted here in other threads on this board.
Yes. Canceling stripes....NOT the whole car!

The other issues you raise are not mine. I LOVE the rest of the car.

I only brought up the issue since you brought up the fact that GM keeps showing a concept car which you seem to want. Let me see....I know it's here somewhere...

....hence, my mention of the b-pillar, gas cap, etc. Not my issue, but according to your statement SHOULD be your issues along with stripes. You say you want what was shown over the last two years.....read your post...stripes should be just one concern of yours. Apparently, it's your only concern...not bad!


What I find to be interesting is the continued "dogged questioning" by many here.

The style of questioning might be here because you seem to be the only one who would turn away from an entire car simply due to length of stripes. With all due respect...seriously...all due respect, IMO, I think that is just crazy. Again, all due respect. You say you are a collector. Good for you. I just don't see how this can affect your decision. I honestly don't.

A good example being where you readily admit that "So far, GM HAS NOT produced ONE SINGLE pre-production car shown to the public" which BTW is a true statement, ergo my question about the stripe and its cosmetics becomes ultra important to others who are ordering cars right now..

I KNOW! I know it's important to actually see the car. And I agree that it's crazy that people are ordering things they've never seen before. I'm kind of doing the same. But, if you are not sure, simply hold off just a bit. My point with that statement, is this. You have not seen final stripes yet. We know what they will be. You know concepts change. Don't be so upset... I mean, you knew it could happen....concept to pre-pro...things change. It happens. However, I'd hate to see you not get the car and then 20 years down the road....BIG collectors item, you know. I don't think anyone is going to look at the Camaro in 20 years and say, "D@MN! I wanted it so badly and would have paid 100k, but those ugly, short stripes! What were they thinking!!!"


So why are feathers so ruffled over this?? Gee it is just one car and one less 2010 owner right??

I honestly wish it wasn't. I hope you pick one up. And, for you, I hope GMPP offers aftermarket stripes you can purchase when ordering the car. I just don't want to see you miss out on something wonderful.

And with that...I'm finished. I wish you best of luck.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by headpunter

i call Shenanigans


it makes no sense to want a car with all the factory options and then say just because the factory option doesnt go another 2 inches further that you are not going to order a $36k car.

well i was gonna buy the new camaro as a collector call and keep it completely stock as an investment 20years down the line but then i found out that the calipers were Silver instead of Red.....so i am cancelling my order.



i dont believe you, you may have another reason you arent telling us, but your crazy if that is the only reason you aren't getting the car anymore.

I agree.. This seems like a silly reason to me as well..

[70 COPO]

Gentlemen,

I have watched GM stumble time and time again with the Camaro over the years. I spoke to Vince Piggins on the early cars, and later spoke to Jim Perkins on the future of the Camaro during the struggle to save the 4 generation in the mid 1990's.

Piggins was always trying to convince the GM Brass to improve performance and cosmetics. Later Perkins was trying to improve market share along with performance.

Forces within GM essentially forced Perkins out. Perkins was pushing several platform modifications that would have likely changed the future outcome for Camaro in '02.

The roll out of this new car is critical. The way it looks is the most critical part of the car. The current GM management wants to market the car a bit differently.... go for a more upscale market segment, so burn outs on TV commercials and are not planned.

OK I understand all of this.

IMO... going cheap on a production stripe configuration on a car that otherwise screams "1969 Camaro" to the core traditional Camaro buyer is not the right answer at this time.

Here is an idea - since several of you are continuing to question my motives, how about a solution?? Make the install of the critical time consuming long stripe segments part of dealer prep on the delivery end?

Why not???

When has this been done in the Past? Each and every Indy 500 replica door decal is put on in the same manner by the dealer- so I see the production issue removed because if you set it up this way then the production delay issue with long stripe is moot.

I want the new Camaro to be a sales sensation as much as anyone else - but not at the expence of compromising on the looks of the car.

[70 COPO]

Scott,

If you are still following this thread, I would gladly pay DOUBLE the current RPO cost for GM offering the long stripe - and pay the dealer to install the long stripe at delivery. What would that add up to about $1000 or perhaps just a bit less..... How does that sound? Offer it. Offer the long stripe.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

Scott,

If you are still following this thread, I would gladly pay DOUBLE the current RPO cost for GM offering the long stripe - and pay the dealer to install the long stripe at delivery. What would that add up to about $1000 or perhaps just a bit less..... How does that sound? Offer it. Offer the long stripe.

I looked back into the canceling of stripes thread and saw ....37? people wanting them longer?...

Seems as though there might be a few more who want those longer stripes than originally thought. If that's so, GMPP can offer it...not GM. Ask JohnnyCamaro from GMPP if they can do it, why not do it, how much it would cost, if enough people could come together to do it, etc...

ASK HIM!

Again, his screen name (John Cox) is JohnnyCamaro. Better yet, I'd be happy to help you!~

[TAG UR IT]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9238

[70 COPO]

Make that 38. My wife voted for paint - before I found out that the stripe was short and started posting about it.


IMO... Long Stripe needs to be an official RPO, or part of an existing option package, or an Official GM accessory. Otherwise the stripes will be in the wild - aftermarket only. I fear that this will reinforce the Mullett/Redneck typecast that follows the third generation cars to this day.

Not bashing third gen cars either I own two of them.

Food for thaught: Notable Camaros with "hood only" stripes through the years:

74' Z28 Optional Hood length decals designed by Randy Wateen - You either loved them or hated them. Resale on these cars today is what it is.

77' Z28 Faux Hood scoop decal was bashed extensively in the media.

92' 25th Ann. "Heritage stripes" Again bashed by the media - called "boy racer" stripes.

In closing:

There is one vehicle on the road currently -that is quite notable and one you see nearly you see every day. It too has dual hood stripes that terminate on the hood. The vehicle is White. The stripes are Orange.

The vehicle is the standard U Haul truck.

http://www.uhaul.com/guide/index.asp...pment=truck-26

http://www.uhaul.com/guide/index.asp...pment=truck-17

The damage one hostile road test author could do with that one potential comparison in any major publication is worth consideration.

[Hylton]

'78, '79, '80, '81, '82 & '93 pacers...

[70 COPO]

With all due respect - apples and oranges.

Those years were "stripe accent"

78-79 non functional air induction
80-81 Functional air induction
1982 Functional air induction with LU-5 non functional with LG-4
1993 accent only about 1/2 inch at the top and tapering.

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

the actual camaro is going to look like this

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

And Ive ordered the 2SS/RS when I could have orderd this above version. Oh the shame!!!!!! I'll never sleep at night!

[MotorCityAgent]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

no -- but it MAY kill us trying to get the fascia stripe on around the air intake on an SS......

He said "air intake"!....."air intake"!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I couldnt let that one go.

[MLL67RSSS]

Originally Posted by Hylton

When collectors buy a car, they are looking at more than just what they like the most. They are also looking for what they believe will be the most desireable car 20 years from now. Every single option selected is very important.

And many, many times a desirable "collector" car 20 years ahead is a car they couldn't GIVE AWAY back in it's day.

Couple of examples:

Edsel: Highly collectable car, but in their day were hated and nearly unsellable.

Daytona's/Superbirds: These things languished on dealers lots for sometimes two years. Some were actually converted by having the wing/nose-cone removed and a Coronet bumper stuck on the front just to get the things off the lots.

BTW, IMO anyone who buys a brand new car and puts in up on blocks thinking they will rake in the cash someday is fooling themselves. Look and the '78 'vette pace cars that still have the seat and steering wheel plastic on them for example. Buy a car, pay for some insurance coverage, possible storage fees, some minimal up-keep money, and thirty years later be lucky to get what you paid for it. NO THANKS!!!! Supply and demand, the fewer there are, the more valuable they are to those that desire them.

With all this talk of it has to be what the factory did, what about all the dealer installed options not available from the factory but still on the order sheet?

I think people are reacting to what seems to them like a pretty minor detail thing to cancel a car order for. If you're buying it for it's future value, and it certainly appears that you have no passion for the car itself, then you are definitely making the right desicion. Look at the threads where people were complaining about the reverse lights or other details and threatening to cancel their orders, you'll see the same type of reactions.

BTW, did you know that the '74 Z-28 stripes were actually a factory screw up? The stripes/graphics are on a white background due to an ordering error. They were supposed to be on a clear background so that the car color showed through but the order was incorrectly placed. By the time it was discovered the entire run of production stripes had been completed. They did not want to incur the expense of throwing them all out and have all news ones re-printed correctly. So they went on the cars as they were with the white background.