2010 Camaro vs. 2004 SVT

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by oldlugs

What's not to understand..?

Good looks, a near bullet-proof 4-valve twin-cam with superior breathing, and a blower on the top model.
I understand perfectly.

LMAO....obviously not.

You missed my point.

But yes....GT500 is sweet.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Once again not surprised though....camaro gets no respect.

I disagree. I think all this talk on this forum is the utmost respect for the Camaro even though many may not want to admit it. Non Camaro people who come on this board see the passion we have towards our AWESOME Camaro. Many are here just to debate, which is cool, but many see that passion we have and like to take shots at it. Why? It's because the Camaro is bad ass and our passion for the car is even badder. . Let the ones talking smack, talk their smack. If the Camaro wasn't so bad ass why would they waste their time. I know my car is fast and bad as hell. Ain't no one gonna tell me different.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Yes the Camaro in the op has the advantage. You are talking a stock car vs a car with internal motor work.

I realize that, the 5.4 litre in the GT500 has forged internals and a blower. I'm sure Ford isn't dropping those gems in just anything that rolls down the assembly line. The Ford Lightning had the 5.4 with an Eaton and you paid double what you would for a regular F-150. My point is, you can either have the manufacturer do the engine work for you and pay a lot extra or you can take a good solid platform, like the LS3, and build it up yourself. It really isn't anywhere near comparing apples to oranges, just different routes being taken to achieve one common goal.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by thedak

528rwhp...

Is this dyno located in Texas ?

LOL probably, Texas: "Home Of The Fastest Dynos In The Country"

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

True...and this is always a factor. Comparing different dynos is stupid...but this is the only info I have.

I searched for 2011GT500 dynos and found 470-480rwhp as the norm. I have seen ls3's dyno 520-530 before so I guess I can believe his dyno as being accurate. HIs cam is large enough for it.

I guess it is hard to swallow that someone could buy a 5th gen for ~30k, keep it NA and spend ~6k on h/c/bolt ons, likely beating the fastest car in fords lineup with a supercharger and a ~50k price tag?

And voiding the warranty which that Ford still has, still handling worse, and still not being built nose to tail to handle it's power (as the Gt500 is). it's all relative. There will be no fair comison unless the Z28 is built and that is still in the big if department.

[RedJewelSS]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

You're absolutely right. I should have worded that differently. The displacement is still 4.6 as they didn't start putting the 5.4 in the Cobras until the later S197 versions. The Terminator engine is in no way the same as the one found in the GT's of that time period though. The internals were forged, not coated and Ford used an iron block rather than the aluminum block that was going into the GT's. The compression ratio was very mega-boost friendly as well at 8.5:1.

i was going to say only the crank was forged, but it seems your right about that. its been a long while since i read anything about it and i thought i remembered forged crank the rest coated but my mistake.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

And a car that costs 50k and has a supercharger vs one that costs 30k and is NA.

Like I said....no matter how you compare them it isnt going to be fair.

Um, it's not a 30k car when you add in all the engine work, and more like a 33k car vs a 46k car And the race in the race in the origional post was a 33k car vs 33k car with a boatload and x amt of $$$$ in work.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by Ash1977

By the way, Stock for stock, SVT Cobra and a 2010 Camaro are a drivers race.


Mark

And having owned both .. my 04 Cobra is still my favorite car hands down !!

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

If it's an 03-04, I believe those had a 4.6 with better heads and the s/c of course.

That's my point. The fool posted like he was proving someone wrong and had absolutely no clue what he was talking about.

[boostedyards86]

i enjoy exterminating snakes...but i have alot of mods compared to the op. and on stock cubes that cam must be anemic on the low and mid range.... i'm unsure if that would be fun

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by boostedyards86

i enjoy exterminating snakes...but i have alot of mods compared to the op. and on stock cubes that cam must be anemic on the low and mid range.... i'm unsure if that would be fun

Holy crap, that car is badass!! Very nice! Yeah, I haven't seen any mustang guys up here who could touch you.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Holy crap, that car is badass!! Very nice! Yeah, I haven't seen any mustang guys up here who could touch you.

He'd hand my ass to me LOL....

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Holy crap, that car is badass!! Very nice! Yeah, I haven't seen any mustang guys up here who could touch you.

We had a 'dyno day' recently and some guy brought in an s197 that dyno'd at over 600rwhp.

And I'm not taking a shot at any way about Boostedyard's car.

[thedak]