Finally a TR6060 2nd gear build thread!!!!

[ackeight]

Originally Posted by MiSTER

Excellent job Rick! Now if only GM would apply the same fixes under warranty...

What? You don't have 2k laying around like everyone else?

[Chemical Camaro]

Rick,

Thanks for your detailed look into a TR6060. I've been following this issue and everyone's stories since last year about this time when I noticed mine for the first time. My 2GG is intermittent but only appears in the cold weather in the first 2 or 3 accelerations of the day or on the way home after sitting all day. With colder weather approaching the south, this is more on my mind lately. Has there been any update to GM's status regarding recognition of a systemic issue or are we still being handled on a case by case basis?

In the event a service department recognizes an issue with a particular 6060 is the 2nd gear blocker ring the only item that must be replaced? Is that the only item they will replace?

Thanks again for your great work,

[rick@tandtperformance]

Originally Posted by Chemical Camaro

Rick,

Thanks for your detailed look into a TR6060. I've been following this issue and everyone's stories since last year about this time when I noticed mine for the first time. My 2GG is intermittent but only appears in the cold weather in the first 2 or 3 accelerations of the day or on the way home after sitting all day. With colder weather approaching the south, this is more on my mind lately. Has there been any update to GM's status regarding recognition of a systemic issue or are we still being handled on a case by case basis?

In the event a service department recognizes an issue with a particular 6060 is the 2nd gear blocker ring the only item that must be replaced? Is that the only item they will replace?

Thanks again for your great work,

GM dealerships will only replace what is wrong/broken inside the transmission due to warranty claims. Customer bring in a car with trans issues, dealership makes the repairs with GM parts. That claim is submitted to GM warranty claims and that's how dealership gets reimbursed. If the dealership doesn't have all the ducks in a row, GM rejects the claim and the dealership has to eat the labor/parts.

I build these with what I know works but when you're faced with the dealership, they will be more worried about getting paid than repairing the actual car under warranty. When I used to work for GM, they wouldn't let me replace the parts with what I know fixes them. I could only use what was available through GM parts.

Short of GM issuing a recall on the TR6060's, I think it will be on a case by case basis.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by rick@tandtperformance

GM dealerships will only replace what is wrong/broken inside the transmission due to warranty claims. Customer bring in a car with trans issues, dealership makes the repairs with GM parts. That claim is submitted to GM warranty claims and that's how dealership gets reimbursed. If the dealership doesn't have all the ducks in a row, GM rejects the claim and the dealership has to eat the labor/parts.

I build these with what I know works but when you're faced with the dealership, they will be more worried about getting paid than repairing the actual car under warranty. When I used to work for GM, they wouldn't let me replace the parts with what I know fixes them. I could only use what was available through GM parts.

Short of GM issuing a recall on the TR6060's, I think it will be on a case by case basis.

This is the reason why people like myself believe warranties aren't worth the paper their printed on. Replacing garbage with garbage doesn't resolve the issue regardless who's paying for it.

[jtmiller92]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

This is the reason why people like myself believe warranties aren't worth the paper their printed on. Replacing garbage with garbage doesn't resolve the issue regardless who's paying for it.

I could not have said it better.

[camarofun]

I understand from one of the suppliers the mainshaft was modified slightly to remove a ring trench, a rear bearing was added and the blocking rings were modified....So your work seems to confirm this conclusion....Dealers beware....This is the solution...Thank You.

[mdrennan]

Rick,

What fluid do you recommend for the TR6060?

Thanks,
Mike

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[rick@tandtperformance]

Originally Posted by mdrennan

Rick,

What fluid do you recommend for the TR6060?

Thanks,
Mike

I recommend GM fluid # 88861800.

[OrangeVert]

Guys, noticed last fall in the cold weather I have 2GG starting out in the morning - Tremec 6060 has always felt notchy: sometimes it goes right into second fine, at others it meets resistance and needs to be pulled with force to fully engage. It's done this ever since new, at first I thought it was normal, or maybe during break-in it would work itself out. Not going to happen ... @1,978 miles now.

I don't have an extra $2k lying around or know of a reliable shop to do the work even if I did. The car has zero mods - bone stock 2SS/RS with Hurst short throw. So, how would you recommend I approach the dealer, are there no TSBs? Also, how can I tell if a dealer is worth their weight in tranny repair? I probably have 4 or 5 to choose from in a 25-mile radius.

Your advice would be greatly appreciated. I've changed a timing chain with great success, but am a real newbie when it comes to trannys.

[rick@tandtperformance]

Originally Posted by OrangeVert

Guys, noticed last fall in the cold weather I have 2GG starting out in the morning - Tremec 6060 has always felt notchy: sometimes it goes right into second fine, at others it meets resistance and needs to be pulled with force to fully engage. It's done this ever since new, at first I thought it was normal, or maybe during break-in it would work itself out. Not going to happen ... @1,978 miles now.

I don't have an extra $2k lying around or know of a reliable shop to do the work even if I did. The car has zero mods - bone stock 2SS/RS with Hurst short throw. So, how would you recommend I approach the dealer, are there no TSBs? Also, how can I tell if a dealer is worth their weight in tranny repair? I probably have 4 or 5 to choose from in a 25-mile radius.

Your advice would be greatly appreciated. I've changed a timing chain with great success, but am a real newbie when it comes to trannys.

GM has no TSB's on this condition. The dealer are only allow to use the parts inside THIS TR6060 to perform repairs. Short of replacing the entire transmission, it will be hit or miss.

[RiCorvette]

From our buds on Challengertalk.com

Tremec Response on TR-6060 Problems

Sorry for adding yet another thread on the Tremec shifitng but I think you guys will find the response the Tremec technician posted in response to the numerous Tremec problems with Challengers, Mustangs, Camaros interesting. My Tremec continues to nibble when shifitng from 1-2 especially when I push it. I think we should be able to shift at high RPM without any grind, so I continue to search for a real solution. A new high performance car should just shift better. The site is the Tremec forum: Tremec TR6060 Issues - Page 2 - Tremec Forums

The technican wrote the following on 1-30-2012:

Okay everyone, got your guns loaded? I apologize for the inexcusable delay in getting back to some of you. Please don't take it personally, though you may feel free to be upset with me if you like--I would be.

That said, let's try attacking this one problem at a time. Slobra, you and I spoke on the phone so we're all set. Hopefully you found the line kit you were seeking. And road chicken, your problem has also received a response. Additionally, since the product you're referring to is in no way related to the TR-6060, (other than the fact that they are both manual transmissions), I would appreciate it if you would leave your remarks in the appropriate forum.

IdealG, WarpdSpazm, and anyone else who has had difficulties with a TR-6060 equipped vehicle, I have some interesting information for you and some points to consider:

From the beginning of production through September, 2011, TREMEC had produced over 48,000 TR-6060s for the Camaro SS program alone (we do not produce the manual trans for the RS V6). If you take every individual TR-6060 problem you can find online and double it, I'll bet you $100.00 of my own money that you still have less than 0.5% of total production experiencing an issue let alone a warrantable failure. That is no way to imply that you are not having a legitamate issue, but there is nothing whatsoever "screwed up in the design of this tranny". And yes, that is my final answer.

Now... Onto why you may be having an issue. Several factors can play into the function of a manual transmission. These include but are not limited to: any clutch or clutch release-related component located ahead of the transmission as installed in the vehicle, any component mounted behind the transmission--including the shifter, and last but not least... The Driver! Unfortunately in many cases, this person is not as knowledgeable about the product, or as good at using it, as they like to think they are.

Please note, I am not telling you that you are dumb or a bad driver, or dismissing the notion that there may be something wrong with your transmission as delivered from TREMEC. However, I am asking you to take a step back and look at the entire picture before you jump on ANY forum to start bashing ANY company's product.

What exactly is your problem--a clash or grind, complete blockage from a gear, etc? When does the problem occur--is it engine speed or vehicle speed related? Under what conditions--hot or cold ambient temperatures, vehicle temperatures, etc? Have you made any modifications to the vehicle--FYI, even "un-related" changes like a throttle body swap can make a difference! What manual equipped vehicles have you owned or driven for an extended period before?

If any of you care to go through some of this with me step-by-step, please PM me and I will be happy to assist you to the best of my ability. However, please note that this is not a customer service thread. I am not a customer service agent (we have phone numbers and email forms elsewhere on the website for that). And if you own a TR-6060 factory equipped vehicle, you are not our customer--the manufacturer of your vehicle is. As performance minded enthusiasts like yourselves, we want to see you all get what you pay for and be happy at the end of the day. However, please consider that if you have an issue with the speakers in your new Cadillac, who do you call, Bose or your Cadillac dealer?

Thank you all. Again, my sincerest apologies for the delay. If you would like to discuss your issue further in greater detail, please let me know. If I can not personally help you, I'll do my best to get you with someone who can.

Regards,
TREMEC Nate

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...roblems-72288/

[Redemption]

Pretty dicked response if you ask me.


Sent from my payphone using carrier pigeons.

[toml_pa]

Reading between the lines, this is what I am hearing:

"What exactly is your problem--a clash or grind, complete blockage from a gear, etc? When does the problem occur--is it engine speed or vehicle speed related? Under what conditions--hot or cold ambient temperatures, vehicle temperatures, etc?" (Give me some detailed info so I can find things to blame it on). "Have you made any modifications to the vehicle--FYI, even "un-related" changes like a throttle body swap can make a difference!" (A throttle body swap is making your trans grind). "What manual equipped vehicles have you owned or driven for an extended period before?" (You don't know how to drive your car). "As performance minded enthusiasts like yourselves, we want to see you all get what you pay for and be happy at the end of the day." (Tremec is certainly happy, they got their money).

"However, please consider that if you have an issue with the speakers in your new Cadillac, who do you call, Bose or your Cadillac dealer?". Correct, but I would want to believe that a respectable company like Bose would at the very least want to make things right to protect their reputation and not hide behind a middle man. But then again, maybe Bose and Tremec have opposing corporate philosophies.