The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Muscle Master]

So I went over to various M3 forums.. and accept for a few snobish post, these guys know how to have a conversation

And to get back on topic.. I'm more concerned about the next-gen M3 than the currrent.. considering the M3 has always been the benchmark to beat around the track for performance cars since 2008

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Americanmuscle11

One with less horsepower, torque and a SRA...runs faster in the 1/4 mile and it's cheaper. The 2011 5.0.

Didn't the Camaro win the quarter mile in most of the head-to-head match ups?

Just curious.

[Blue Maro Demon]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

The rest of the post is pointless, but this line made me laugh.

If I took a picture of my Challenger ahead of a Ford GT on a track..would that be me beating it? You dont know the conditions, the purpose or anything of that nature of the picture. You dont know if the GT500 had stopped, if it was intentionally going slow or anything of that type of info.

Jumping up and down claiming the position of a Camaro on a track, in this case, means less than nothing.

Also, Ford has openly stated the next generation Mustang is going to be lighter, they're aiming for a 3,300 lb bench mark. Ford has unvieled their next generation small-block (the new 5.0) and it has room to grow (adding DI for example). Their new V6 also isnt a DI so it has potential too.



Chevy has great plans coming with their new small blocks and I cant wait to see what the next few years bring. I am HAPPY Ford brought a superior car to the market now, as it will force GM and Mopar to improve their own designs. Competition makes all breeds stronger.

You should be happy that the new Mustang is so good, better in many ways than the new Camaro. Not because it makes your car a bit lower on the ladder (which it does, mine too)..but because it is going to make the next MY Camaro's or the next generation even better than the fantastic current Camaro.

Theres nothing to laugh about its the truth. Do you really think they are going to test the Z/28 against it like they are doing right now and not beat it and be faster? If that was the case the point of testing it against it would be pointless. The new Z/28 will be faster than the 2011 Shelby without a doubt. If it will beat the 2012 Shelby no one knows yet. The Mustangs big advantage is its weight once the Camaro catches up weight wise with it their advantage is gone. It just depends how long Chevy is going to keep the Camaro this size we may not have another even match up until the 6th gen Camaro or they may just add more horsepower to the 5th gen to even it out. I think the SS and v6 will probably get upgrades in power next year for sure the SS im not sure about the V6 though its not bad the way it is.

As far as the Challenger goes I like the looks of the Challenger alot its a great looking car. But when it comes to performance with the Challenger you can forget about it. The car is just too heavy and is like a boat. It doesn't do you much good to have a engine like a hemi in it if the car weighs as much as it does. While its neat that the car looks almost exactly like the old Challenger its also a hindrance to the car performance wise. The only way the Challenger will even be considered a threat to the Camaro or Mustang is if they make it lighter with another generation which would be a first body style change for the car. It's pretty much just Camaro Vs. Mustang right now. I've heard about the new 500hp SRT8 coming out too but it won't be enough to compete due to its weight.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

If they do have a comparison with the Boss 302 then it would only be fair to compare it to the M3 track version also. I think the Laguna Seca version would be the best comparison.

The M3 GTS is 450HP and 440lbs lighter. (yes 3,285lbs) It will definately give the Boss a good race.

Eh, I agree and then again I don't. Much like you I think the Laguna Seca Boss and the M3 GTS make for a logical comparison even with a vastly different price of entry because the two cars are similar in concept and ethos. Taking that as the case, by default that logically has to mean that the standard Boss compares more accurately with something else, and I think that something else is blatantly the M3.

Motor Trend compared to the GT to the M3 because it was the closest existing Mustang to that particular Bimmer, but that wont be the case any longer once the Boss hits the pavement. In fact, I think the addition of the Boss makes for a surprisingly logical comparison of product lines, despite disparity in price, between the Mustang, the 3-Series.


Mustang 3-Series

V-6 328i

GT 335i

Boss 302 M3

Boss 302 LS M3 GTS

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Theres nothing to laugh about its the truth. Do you really think they are going to test the Z/28 against it like they are doing right now and not beat it and be faster? If that was the case the point of testing it against it would be pointless. The new Z/28 will be faster than the 2011 Shelby without a doubt. If it will beat the 2012 Shelby no one knows yet. The Mustangs big advantage is its weight once the Camaro catches up weight wise with it their advantage is gone. It just depends how long Chevy is going to keep the Camaro this size we may not have another even match up until the 6th gen Camaro or they may just add more horsepower to the 5th gen to even it out. I think the SS and v6 will probably get upgrades in power next year for sure the SS im not sure about the V6 though its not bad the way it is.

As far as the Challenger goes I like the looks of the Challenger alot its a great looking car. But when it comes to performance with the Challenger you can forget about it. The car is just too heavy and is like a boat. It doesn't do you much good to have a engine like a hemi in it if the car weighs as much as it does. While its neat that the car looks almost exactly like the old Challenger its also a hindrance to the car performance wise. The only way the Challenger will even be considered a threat to the Camaro or Mustang is if they make it lighter with another generation which would be a first body style change for the car. It's pretty much just Camaro Vs. Mustang right now. I've heard about the new 500hp SRT8 coming out too but it won't be enough to compete due to its weight.

Ok, since this isnt a Camaro vs. Challenger thread, I wont answer those comments.

And since this isnt a Mustang vs. Camaro thread..I wont there either.

All I will say is that no one knows anything from pictures, and we wont have any solid answers until GM offically releases information. Until then it is merely speculation based on a few pictures. If we're going off of pictures alone then we must conclude that the Z28 is inferior to a Mustang convertible due to the fact one was pictured infront of the "Z28".

Thats all I'm saying, no one who knows is going to talk, and those who talk, dont know.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Americanmuscle11

One with less horsepower, torque and a SRA...runs faster in the 1/4 mile and it's cheaper. The 2011 5.0. Why do you care about the Nurburgring anyway? You can't even spell it right. If Ford cared to bring a 2011 GT with a professional race car driver to the ring I'm sure it'd make the SS look dumb. How many Camaro owners have had accident's due to the C pillar? I don't know. I do know it's a major issue as pointed out by everyone in the Automotive press who drive 1000's of cars for a living. These people who aren't biased or a Camaro fanboy. I would think an idiot shouldn't be driving in the first place. Now any person should be able to adjust to their surroundings in their car fairly easily. However a MAJOR blind spot for the sake of the design is not something your average joe will adjust to quickly if ever. You may think you have it down, just wait until a car arrives in that spot and you aren't paying attention. With out that blind spot a driver has the ability to look instantly around to see the person next to them. With the Camaro's C pillar a quick glance takes much more effort that I'm sure not everyone will take the time to do every time they drive.

Ok, you named one car. You proved my point. The car is a performance giant at it's price. It smashes the Mustang in looks. It's just a kickass car an no matter how much you put it down, that fact will not change. Enjoy our site and the best car made for under 35K. Oh, and I won't comment on the blide spot as it is not an issue for someone who knows what they are doing.

[LostInMoscow]

Does anyone really take this stuff into consideration when you are buying a car? I mean, if several cars are in the same ballpark around the track, I'm not going to buy one of them because it's 1/10 faster at a certain race track. I mean it's nice to know how cars compare on the track, but who drives like that everyday? To me there are a lot more things to consider than 1 or 2 tenths a lap on a track or 0 to 60. It is cool to see an American car show so well against the M3 at 2/3 the price though!

[JusticePete]

Mustang in car video from the Pedders Super car Shootout.



It was hot and rained in the morning. We used a parade of guest vehicles to dry out the track. We ran in cloud cover with temps about 85 and the humidity about the same. As the day progressed the sun finally came out. It didn't matter to the Mustang or Camaro. They were both fast in the miserable weather.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by LostInMoscow

Does anyone really take this stuff into consideration when you are buying a car? I mean, if several cars are in the same ballpark around the track, I'm not going to buy one of them because it's 1/10 faster at a certain race track. I mean it's nice to know how cars compare on the track, but who drives like that everyday? To me there are a lot more things to consider than 1 or 2 tenths a lap on a track or 0 to 60. It is cool to see an American car show so well against the M3 at 2/3 the price though!

there are a couple different points to the article.
1) if you own a 2011 mustang gt w/ brembo brakes you now have bragging rights

2) if you are in the market for a track car/toy you now have an alternative to the usual M3/Cayman/Lotus suspects that is a lot cheaper to buy and maintain.

i agree that if your in the market for a daily driver a bit more is taken into consideration than performance numbers.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by syr74

Eh, I agree and then again I don't. Much like you I think the Laguna Seca Boss and the M3 GTS make for a logical comparison even with a vastly different price of entry because the two cars are similar in concept and ethos. Taking that as the case, by default that logically has to mean that the standard Boss compares more accurately with something else, and I think that something else is blatantly the M3.

Motor Trend compared to the GT to the M3 because it was the closest existing Mustang to that particular Bimmer, but that wont be the case any longer once the Boss hits the pavement. In fact, I think the addition of the Boss makes for a surprisingly logical comparison of product lines, despite disparity in price, between the Mustang, the 3-Series.


Mustang 3-Series

V-6 328i

GT 335i

Boss 302 M3

Boss 302 LS M3 GTS

How about:

Mustang 3-Series

V-6 328i

GT 335i

Boss 302 M3

Shelby GT500 PP M3 GTS

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Didn't the Camaro win the quarter mile in most of the head-to-head match ups?

Just curious.

Every single one except for the motor trend article where they ran .2 tenths slower than their best with the SS and .3 tenths faster than any other GT review (except MM&FF). They even ran a tenth faster with the GT in the shootout than they did when they tested the car by itself. (12.7 to 12.8)

All of that crap is meaningless though. In all honesty I think the GT is a bit faster. It has already hit the 12.5 mark like the camaro and this was not in fall weather.

I think the GT probably has a 12.3 in it. I think the 12.5 is just about the end of the road for the camaro due to traction/launching issues.

No one can even do better than a 1.9 60ft with the camaro and a 6 speed manual.

If we are talking auto vs auto...lets not even do that . I think the auto GT will prove to be the fastest of them all no doubt.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by bigearl

So this has degenerated into the EXACT same argument as every other thread that mentions Mustangs.

I think we just need a summary page you can cut&paste with all the pros and cons of each car- then you can just cut and paste the summary and lock the thread. It'd save a lot of time.

Actually, we'd still have to merge dozens of threads saying exactly the same thing into this one, artificially inflating the length of those summaries with repeated commentary.

Camaro-Mustang discussions are a lot like watching ESPN. At first, there's some insightful conversation, and then people start repeating their statements over and over again if you stay for too long.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Every single one except for the motor trend article where they ran .2 tenths slower than their best with the SS and .3 tenths faster than any other GT review (except MM&FF). They even ran a tenth faster with the GT in the shootout than they did when they tested the car by itself. (12.7 to 12.8)

All of that crap is meaningless though. In all honesty I think the GT is a bit faster. It has already hit the 12.5 mark like the camaro and this was not in fall weather.

I think the GT probably has a 12.3 in it. I think the 12.5 is just about the end of the road for the camaro due to traction/launching issues.

No one can even do better than a 1.9 60ft with the camaro and a 6 speed manual.

If we are talking auto vs auto...lets not even do that . I think the auto GT will prove to be the fastest of them all no doubt.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

Camaro-Mustang discussions are a lot like watching ESPN. At first, there's some insightful conversation, and then people start repeating their statements over and over again if you stay for too long.

LMAO.....that is so true, and with the addition of ANY new info whether it is Mustang or Camaro the cycle continues. Then comes any new owners or new posters and we have a repeat again.