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08-27-2011, 03:17 PM | #912 |
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LOL...hence my name, we're in the same club!
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08-27-2011, 05:58 PM | #914 |
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I believe there is little to no weight savings in dropping todays power windows and power locks. However power seats yes.
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08-27-2011, 08:51 PM | #915 | |
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No Sunroof Manual Trans Adjustable Front End Adjustable Rear Adjustable Steering However, I think the tire stagger is off a wee bit...and they don't look like R-compounds... And I believe it may be missin' a cylinder or two... |
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08-27-2011, 10:16 PM | #916 |
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LMAO.. It may be slow, but no jack man needed for tire changes.
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08-28-2011, 10:51 AM | #917 | |
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FYI: I have been posting less frequently. The reasons are all good. SEMA projects are in high gear. Other Special Projects are taking up more time as well. This thread brings special focus to a very special vehicle. The LS7 belongs in a Z/28. The 5th Gen should have a Z/28. Yesterday I decided to spend a day at a retail Pedders shop. We did a 5th Gen Track II. The alignment is unique to this 5th Gen. It has OE wheels and tires. Front Camber -1.6 Toe .50 OUT Added a degree of Castor Rear Camber 0 Toe IN .05 The test drive was on public roadways so we did not explore the limits. The car is very well balanced. Our new client is going to have fun looking for understeer. I am sure he can find it... if he looks hard enough. I really like to do retail installs because I get to see first hand how genuinely passionate our Camaro enthusiasts are. My shop day was strictly suspension. I cannot imagine how thrilled a client would be to take delivery of a LS7 Z/28 from GM. If Pedders were to have a small role in a project like this I can't imagine how excited I would be to see the face of the very first Z/28 owner. |
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08-28-2011, 11:45 AM | #918 |
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Pete, excellent post!
And yes receiving an LS7/Z28 would be beyond words. Add Pedders and you'd see grown men faint. |
08-28-2011, 02:34 PM | #919 | |
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I believe the only three things holding back a Z28 (if it were being proposed) would be a justifiable business case, CAFE effect (big picture thoughts...), and development time. They don't need to wait for the ZL1 to make real money before they introduce a new model...just so long as the Z28 can make its own money... I think you're about right! Factor in the increased cost to switch over...and it becomes a difficult change to justify... |
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08-28-2011, 03:46 PM | #920 | |
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2) As you know, Pete, "so close, and yet so far..." "Passion" for an LS7'd Z/28 is 'way beyond what that "wax-guy" talks about... |
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08-29-2011, 12:19 PM | #921 | |
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08-29-2011, 04:57 PM | #922 | |
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That went without saying Joe...it's commonly understood that the packages coupled together as they are could not be changed or eliminated without major hassle and cost...merely a thought presented about the lengths I as an old guy who never had those things would go to if it could be done, and we all know it could not because of the hassle and cost..., a stretch of the imagination to make a point about jettisoning weight
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08-29-2011, 05:29 PM | #923 |
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2.99 has a few thoughts on this.
Yes there would be costs to bring out a Z/28 5th Gen. There would also be sales to offset some or all of the cost. Ford doesn't really sell a variety of Mustangs. They sell a variety of motors in Mustangs.The GT500 is marketed at the top king of the hill Mustang while the Boss is dressed up with a handling package and marketed as a road course beast. Ford does this to increase units. Maybe they have to because the update in 2010 didn't catch fire. The roll out of the 5.0 on 11 didn't catch fire. It may be a matter of necessity. Before the 2015 6th gen rolls out in 2014 or whenever it rolls out, the Z/28 could serve as a halo vehicle to drive sales of the 5th Gen in the last year or 18 months. If the sales of the 5th Gen continue to be strong and outpace the Mustang we may never see a Z/28. Hey 2.99! This is Justice Pete. I have been exchanging emails and PMs with a couple of prospective GT500 vs SS Camaro buyers. They are doing a cost benefit of upgrades to the SS vs purchase costs of the GT500. Funny thing is they don't discuss warranty. They are looking at the design of the Camaro vs the performance of the GT500. The younger buyers are giving an edge to the Sync features. The ZL1 will certainly help Chevy win buyers in another year. I get very few PMs or emails comparing the BOSS L/S to the SS. I don't know if that is because the BOSS is viewed as the clear winner or Ford is selling very few BOSS L/S units. My guess is those that run the 5th Gen Program at Chevrolet already have the answers to these question. This is Flounder. You guys talk too much. I just want my LS7 Z/28 and I want it NOW! |
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Step away from the keyboard, the nice men in white coats are going to come and bring you to the peaceful place where everyone is all smiles and talk in nice, soothing tones Pete, err 2.99. err, umm flounder? Just stay put and stay away from anything pointy or boomy.
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