Possible no ABL on 1st lot of cars?!?!?

[GTAHVIT]

^thanks for reminding me.....

[GLBL WMR]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

Then don't enter the topic! Don't...enter...the topic! But here you are, you keep coming back. Whether you say you care about ABL or don't, you're always here. This option is important and affects most of us here as the majority are in the 2LT/2SS range. So here you are.

We don't all share your opinion. Just because YOU don't want to talk about something doesn't mean YOU can come in here and tell us what we should talk about on the Camaro forums. There are many topics on the forum, I'll talk about ABL in the designated ABL topics. If they're shut down, I'll just create a new one, or someone else will. Why? Because it's an important topic!

Are you afraid someone might see the topic and get scared away from the Camaro? Good! If anything, these topics will imform the masses about ABL(some people still aren't sure what it is) and let them know they're having problems. Maybe it'll get a GM rep to come in and stop the "rumors" with some hard evidence.

If YOU want these ABL topics shut down, get a GM rep in here to give us an real update, not a "stop speculating". Until then, I'm going to keep talking about ABL and you can stomp your feet and pound your fists all you want. All the people coming in to the ABL thread telling us to stop talking about ABL...well, that's something a bratty 10 year old would do. I don't go into other people's threads and demand they get shut down.

"I want you to stop talking about ABL nowwww!" - Veruca Salt

Eh, I have nothing against ABL - I'd like to have it as well. I am interested in seeing what comes of it, but the problem with the 3 ABL threads on the first page alone is that its just a bunch of people going "Oh my god! Oh my god! What's wrong with ABL?! Is it done yet?! Is it done yet?!"

That's it. Absolutely worthless posts - whether you choose to see it or not, you bring nothing to the table on the subject. So people who actually want some factual information on the topic have to sift through panic attack after panic attack. And the only recent worthwhile post on the subject has come from Scott saying "Please stop speculating." They're working on it, and maybe they don't know what exactly is going to happen yet because.. *gasp* THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY DONE WITH IT YET. That's why we SHOULDN'T be privileged to every little detail of the development process - because people take the most insigificant information and twist it into worthless apocalyptic drivel.

[StoutFiles]

They're working on it, and maybe they don't know what exactly is going to happen yet because.. *gasp* THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY DONE WITH IT YET.

I completely agree. However, it is completely reasonable for them to give us their backup plan if ABL isn't finished in time...I'm sure they have worked out their backup plan. An example backup plan would be a discount off the MSRP, or a delay on all ABL models, or no ABL the first model year, etc.

This should be shared with people so they can make the decision on whether they want to upgrade or degrade to a different class.

[NAHURRY]

Stoutfiles...even know your having to repeat your self time after time to
members(because they keep coming at you with the same arguement)
your doing a GREAT job with it ever post you through out makes
great since. so thanks for helping keep this thread alive.

and fellas I dont mean to fuel the fire(really I dont) but some keep saying
we sound like spoiled babies...Why, cause we value our money more?
cause we wont what was advertised?

and no, nobodys actually bought the car yet but most of us did put a deposit
down (me $1000.00) to buy it, and its almost crunch time, so thats why
we need answers now and not after production. is that really asking for
too much.Fbod told us if it aint rite we will delay or cancil it, I have alot
of respect for the guy but this is not acceptable this late in the game.






Love all of ya though

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Rodrunner

I picked the Cardinals and CamaroPete picked the Steelers to win the Super Bowl.
Final Score: Cards - 23 Steelers - 27.

Congrats Steelers! Yes, I lost the bet.


:(
That must pain you. Good to see you're a man of your word, and hey, remember, you damn near won!

Originally Posted by gtahvit

^thanks for reminding me.....

Yeah, thats gotto hurt.

[jtaack]

Hmmm....I think I will start a thread about....hmmm....ABL anyone???!!!!!

[Banshee]

Originally Posted by MerlinZero

Yes the ABL will MAKE my interior... can you imagine... CGM exterior... Black on black interior with a blue ABL system.... the car is the definition of sex!

I thought you in a Camaro without ABL was the definition of sex?

[5thGenAnyone?]

I feel like finally chiming in. All I can say is I REALLY want and care about ABL. If it is delayed "knock on wood" I would rather them keep my MSRP and install it for free when it is working correctly.

P.S. Stout, I think you are my hero.

[StoutFiles]

Well, it's looking very bad for ABL right now.

Originally Posted by fbodfather

>QUESTION: when will Cyber Gray Metallic/and/or Ambient Lighting/and/or Z28 be available?
ANSWER: Can't answer!

Interesting that he would lump in ABL problems with the Z28 and CGM...the Z28 is a model we aren't expecting till at least next year. CGM has't been fully painted yet but it's on the Daytona pace car. Now this...

Originally Posted by lordfriday2

I got a call from my dealer today, Findlay Chevy here in vegas, and he told me that GM was not going to be releasing CGM in the first production run of camaros and he needed to get the finished order to them today and in order for me to get my camaro by May then i'd have to change the color... If I didn't change the color then he could not say when the color would be available nor when I would get my car...

So now it appears CGM is off the first run of cars. Scott "can't answer" about CGM(off the first run), Z28(off for a while) and ABL(unknown).

It looks pretty obvious where ABL is going right now. It's kind of hard to "keep the faith" when everything GM keeps silent about the Camaro turns out to be negative...they haven't been keeping quiet about positive things.

[ArcAngel]

I will have to chime in for this sole reason, this close to production the number of unanswered questions is disconcerting at best!! I can see and sympathize with all the upset masses!! Honestly feels a little like the train is coming off the track after 3 years of planning this car stuff still isn't working or available or not right. Seems ridiculous to me and many others

[TJ91]

Stouct, i love you man, but to be honest, i think their plan B is just to have it on the doors. We know that it passes the heat cycle, just not the most important part, the dash, hopefully they get that worked out because they cant use the excuse of the ABL being distracting because it is offered in the CTS and it stays on, we just have a light pipe that glows with it. So with that said, i think its safe to say that we should be getting ABL on our doors.
Then again it might just be delayed like your valid point states up top, Stout, you should be a detective. I love how you cypher these lines but right now i hate you for it because i have to agree that it does look bad for ABL. I know i am contradicting what i just said but dam i was trying to look at the Glass as half full.

[TJ91]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

I will have to chime in for this sole reason, this close to production the number of unanswered questions is disconcerting at best!! I can see and sympathize with all the upset masses!! Honestly feels a little like the train is coming off the track after 3 years of planning this car stuff still isn't working or available or not right. Seems ridiculous to me and many others

to some degree
BTW did anyone notice that this smiley seems so fed up, we need one that seems a little happier lol but one that still depicts its meaining.

[ArcAngel]

well I am trying not to be negative but it seems that this whole launch is so unorganized and idiotic! Ya know people have told us how surprised of the misinformation they are, and believe me there is some horrible misinfo but if GM stepped to the plate and didnt play all secret agent with what the heck is going on then maybe people wouldn't be turning sour. Leaving for challys, vettes, G8's 370z's etc etc

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

Well, it's looking very bad for ABL right now.



Interesting that he would lump in ABL problems with the Z28 and CGM...the Z28 is a model we aren't expecting till at least next year. CGM has't been fully painted yet but it's on the Daytona pace car. Now this...



So now it appears CGM is off the first run of cars. Scott "can't answer" about CGM(off the first run), Z28(off for a while) and ABL(unknown).

It looks pretty obvious where ABL is going right now. It's kind of hard to "keep the faith" when everything GM keeps silent about the Camaro turns out to be negative...they haven't been keeping quiet about positive things.

Stout,

I'm not saying that ABL isn't in trouble.

But I really think you are reaching for bad news on this one. Sure we have no idea when there will be another Z28. But we don know that ABL will eventually be in the car.

And by the same token we know CGM will be on the cars once they can put it in the factory spray machines.

So to only infer disaster because of the fact that Scott just can't answer these question doesn't mean they are delayed or in trouble for very different reasons.

Not to say that you don't have reason to be concerned about ABL. But, I just don't see the connection you are trying to make.

Hopefully you will hear something soon.