2010 Mustangs on showroom floors

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

I would have to disagree. All signs point to a 5.0 in the 2011 mustang with a 6 speed manual or 6 speed auto with paddleshift

Not saying that won't happen, likely it will. And if not in for 2011 then it will for 2012. However, that car having 400 hp costing roughly as much as an SS Camaro or GT Mustang? I'm not too sure.

Originally Posted by fdjizm

they call it the cammer... i suspect the coyote will use similar specs.

5.0
400hp
400lb-ft

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=8022

From the link: Suggested Retail $29,500.00

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Not saying that won't happen, likely it will. And if not in for 2011 then it will for 2012. However, that car having 400 hp costing roughly as much as an SS Camaro or GT Mustang? I'm not too sure.


From the link: Suggested Retail $29,500.00

yea i said similar technology lol thats a nice race engine though... they will pull through with the 400hp. dont think they want to overshadow the gt500 anytime soon though so i wouldnt expect more than 400 with a possible 600hp gt500

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

yea i said similar technology lol thats a nice race engine though... they will pull through with the 400hp. dont think they want to overshadow the gt500 anytime soon though so i wouldnt expect more than 400 with a possible 600hp gt500

no you didn't ... you said similar specs

But regardless, that race engine produces ~425 hp I think. And weighs 534 lbs (not specifically relevant, but its a fact that I found interesting). I'd imagine that to bring the cost down, power would go down and weight would go up. Mass production will help as well, but a 65-75% cost reduction for a similar engine? I simply don't see it. I'd guess that if they some how get it built, it would be an extra $6000 over the cost of an SS.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I don't see the 5.0 engine weighing much more or less than the current 4.6, nothing significant anyway. The rest of the car might be a different story though.

But anyway, if Jag can only manage 385/380 out of their direct injection 5.0L V8 DOHC engine, I don't know how Ford will get 400/400 in a Mustang with a very similar engine. It is not a matter of technical feasibility -thats the easy part. No, its about cost: Ford isn't going to put a $10 000 engine into a $30 000 car.

Many would have thought the same thing about the camaro/cadillac v6 back in '07.


also, it's a completely different block/engine/heads/everything from the Jag 5.0 v8.
The Z06 use to have an impressive 385-405 hp. Now even the base model Corvettes are way above that. And on an engine costing basically the same. I wouldn't worry about Ford making it work, I'm sure they will.

I think Ford will put it in a car costing ~34,000 to compete with the camaro 2ss. I doubt all GT's will have it though. There is absolutely no need for them to, but I wouldn't rule it completely out.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

Many would have thought the same thing about the camaro/cadillac v6 back in '07.


also, it's a completely different block/engine/heads/everything from the Jag 5.0 v8.
The Z06 use to have an impressive 385-405 hp. Now even the base model Corvettes are way above that. And on an engine costing basically the same. I wouldn't worry about Ford making it work, I'm sure they will.

I think Ford will put it in a car costing ~34,000 to compete with the camaro 2ss. I doubt all GT's will have it though. There is absolutely no need for them to, but I wouldn't rule it completely out.

You have some good points. I mentioned the Jag engine because it is a new engine that comes about as close as we can get to the same configuration as the 5.0 for the Mustang. Luxury cars are typically built with a higher output than the same sized engine in a regular car. Typically, but of course not always. And I think it will be a lot easier for that engine to make 400 hp than 400 ft lbs. Torque/L, while normally ignored, is rarely seen above 70 in a naturally aspirated production engine, and this engine would have 80. I'm not saying it can't happen, just that the odds are slim.

The DI 3.6 doesn't have much different than the other 3.6's that GM offers, besides direct injection of course. So its not as special as it would seem. Flip side is that the 5.0 will undoubtedly be used in the F-150 which is the best selling vehicle in the world so its not going to be a limited run.

[syr74]

The 6.2L and the 5.0L are both completely new designs which are in no way related to one another.

Originally Posted by fdjizm

they call it the cammer... i suspect the coyote will use similar specs.

5.0
400hp
400lb-ft

A lot of specs will be very similar. Displacement, power output, and basic engine layout will all be the same or very similar. Still, Coyote is far superior in every meaningful way and is unique in countless, less obvious ways which make rather large differences. Head and intake design are without doubt the best Ford has ever graced any production engine with, and by some margin.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

.........that race engine produces ~425 hp I think. And weighs 534 lbs (not specifically relevant, but its a fact that I found interesting). I'd imagine that to bring the cost down, power would go down and weight would go up. Mass production will help as well, but a 65-75% cost reduction for a similar engine? I simply don't see it. I'd guess that if they some how get it built, it would be an extra $6000 over the cost of an SS.

This type of argument is common, and sounds logical on it's face to be fair, but it really doesn't work like this where the rubber hits the road. Ultimately, all that matters is that the 5.0L is a mainstream, V8 replacement for a portion of the 4.6L units now in use and is far superior to anything Ford currently builds, including the 5.0L Cammer engine. Ford learned a lot from that program and the modular V8 engines family in general, and both upcoming V8 engine families will benefit from that. Coyote isn't a monstrously expensive piece and absolutely thumps similar meainstream V8 offering currently available from other automakers.

Originally Posted by The Evil One

I doubt all GT's will have it though. There is absolutely no need for them to, but I wouldn't rule it completely out.

The buzz has long been that the 4.6L will remain as the standard engine and the 5.0L will be offered as an option....at least for the 2011 model year. Eventually that would/will change as the 4.6L will be leaving production with the 5.0L V8 and 3.5L EB V6 taking that engines place with the old 4.6L slowly phasing out after their intro. However, it seems Ford hasn't really made up their mind here and there is the possibility that the 5.0L will debut as the sole V8 offering in the GT with Ford possibly just killing the 4.6L 3-valve quickly rather than dragging things out.

Latest buzz is that Job 1 for this engine is slated for September of this year assuming there are no surprises. Other buzz indicates that thus far the engine is ahead of schedule and overperforms compared to expectations.[/QUOTE]

[fdjizm]

Here is the coyote, i wish they would have left the twin throttle body though i like it better than the round one :( and i think they will be changing the intake to plastic. which is better than metal for temps.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

Here is the coyote, i wish they would have left the twin throttle body though i like it better than the round one :( and i think they will be changing the intake to plastic. which is better than metal for temps.

I was hoping they would stick with aluminum, it would be better for modding.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

I was hoping they would stick with aluminum, it would be better for modding.

if your into nitrous sure, but for lower intake temps plastic is the way to go

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

if your into nitrous sure, but for lower intake temps plastic is the way to go

Well I was thinking about a post and polish. But yeah you're right about the temps.

[comiskeybum]

Ford has been wanting to do a Boss for a while now. Even if its just a limited edition and 40k. Why not put that 6.2L monster in it? If Ford dosent, Rousch will.