LS3 for Camaro announced at meeting!

[Croathlete]

So if it's not the LS3, L76, or a Gen V motor...what other motor could conceivably go into the Camaro? Is there some other mystery Gen 4.5 motor nobody knows about? Wouldn't a specialized motor cost too much to produce? Possibly an "upgraded" version of the LS3 or L76? So many questions!!!

Bahhhh...I want to know already!

[Gatecrasher]

Is there some other mystery Gen 4.5 motor nobody knows about? Wouldn't a specialized motor cost too much to produce? Possibly an "upgraded" version of the LS3 or L76? So many questions!!!

Check out my theories on this matter in post 51 of the following thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...?t=1913&page=4

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Croathlete

So if it's not the LS3, L76, or a Gen V motor...what other motor could conceivably go into the Camaro? Is there some other mystery Gen 4.5 motor nobody knows about? Wouldn't a specialized motor cost too much to produce? Possibly an "upgraded" version of the LS3 or L76? So many questions!!!

Bahhhh...I want to know already!

from wiki, assuming that they won't put a northstar into the Camaro, their current gasoline small block V8's are as follows

• 2005-present L76 - 6.0 L
• 2005-present L98 - 6.0 L
• 2005-present LS2 - 6.0 L
• 2006-present LS4 - 5.3 L transverse V8
• 2006-present LS7 - 7.0 L High-performance Gen IV engine
• 2008-present LS3 - 6.2 L
• LH6/LY5/LC9 Vortec 5300 - 5.3 L Vortec
• LY6/L76 Vortec 6000 - 6.0 L Vortec
• L92 Vortec 6200 - 6.2 L Vortec

We can cross off LS2 and LS7 for sure. LS4 is out because its for front wheel drive. L76 and LS3 are on the maybe list. Out of the car engines, that leaves the L98, which is basically the L76. So if it gets included with the L76 it goes into the maybe pile. But based on what we think we are hearing, the 'maybes' are esentially out as well. The rest are truck engines, they could be used in cars with slight modivications like the L76. The problem is that they generally dont have a high enough specific output to make us happy when we buy a car. They work great for trucks, but not cars. The exception would be the L76, but as I said, it may be out as well.

So, the existing V8's for the Camaro are all seem unlikely. Since it has to have a at least one V8 there is only 2 possible answers: the the engine does not currently exist; Or I eliminated the engine because I've been misguided.

[Gatecrasher]

The problem is that they generally dont have a high enough specific output to make us happy when we buy a car. They work great for trucks, but not cars. The exception would be the L76, but as I said, it may be out as well.

The L92 has 403 hp in the Escalade and Yukon Denali.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

The L92 has 403 hp in the Escalade and Yukon Denali.

From an engine bigger than the Challenger SRT8. And the lesser L92's make 'only' 380 hp. Thats as much as the 5.7L hemi will make next year. Personally, I don't care much about specific output. Peak power, torque, reliability, and fuel mileage matter more than displacement to me but I can't ignore the fact that it matters to lots of people. And for young kids, it tends to matter alot (most of the youngin's here are exceptions). It doesn't matter how relevent it is to performance, it matters for sales. They would pick the smaller engine because its more advanced.

[Gatecrasher]

I couldn't care less about how 'advanced' the engine is. I just want something simple that makes gobs and gobs of torque. I'm pretty burned out after spending the better part of a decade tinkering with a twin turbo 'high tech' Mitsubishi

As for the L92 "only" having 400 hp, I'm sure there's plenty of room to grow

[fastball]

The 3.6 VVT DI is going to make the base Camaro an EXCELLENT entry level coupe. That engine is world class, and it will make the car appealing to a very broad range of customers. More than just us Camaro fanatics. People who might otherwise look at a Nissan Altima 3.5 coupe or Honda Accord EX V6 coupe, both of which are available with manual transmissions BTW, might actually consider the Camaro. Which, with all due respect Fbodfather, was a short comming of prior F-body generations. If you didn't have a V8 under the hood, you had a rather anemic car with the slight possible exception of the 4th gens that were 3800 equipped.

Now, even the V6 will perform on par or better with other cars in it's price range and class.

This is key, because as much as we all love the big V8s, V6s sell the cars and make the money for GM. And if you want the Camaro to be around for a while, you want the V6s to sell. It's like golf: you drive for show, but you putt for dough.

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by fastball

The 3.6 VVT DI is going to make the base Camaro an EXCELLENT entry level coupe. That engine is world class, and it will make the car appealing to a very broad range of customers. More than just us Camaro fanatics. People who might otherwise look at a Nissan Altima 3.5 coupe or Honda Accord EX V6 coupe, both of which are available with manual transmissions BTW, might actually consider the Camaro. Which, with all due respect Fbodfather, was a short comming of prior F-body generations. If you didn't have a V8 under the hood, you had a rather anemic car with the slight possible exception of the 4th gens that were 3800 equipped.

Now, even the V6 will perform on par or better with other cars in it's price range and class.

This is key, because as much as we all love the big V8s, V6s sell the cars and make the money for GM. And if you want the Camaro to be around for a while, you want the V6s to sell. It's like golf: you drive for show, but you putt for dough.

I agree with you...having a strong V6 paired to an equally strong transmission is the recipe for success in the case of the new Camaro...BUT I also want to add that I don't think that my 3.4L is a slouch when it comes to it's 5-speed and such. It's definitely not fast...but it's hardly anemic...just wanted to add that!

[Mr. Wyndham]

...mark my words...

The engine they'll use will not have the same output as any other engine out there right now. It *may* share a name...but it will be a modified version of something they are using right now.

It's just a feeling I have based on a year and a half of speculation.


EDIT: I am curious, though...based on comments like the one below - what engine are we talking about? The 'base' V8? or the monster?

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Croathlete

So if it's not the LS3, L76, or a Gen V motor...what other motor could conceivably go into the Camaro? Is there some other mystery Gen 4.5 motor nobody knows about? Wouldn't a specialized motor cost too much to produce? Possibly an "upgraded" version of the LS3 or L76? So many questions!!!

Bahhhh...I want to know already!

I'm thinking right along the same lines. In my very humble opinion. I think we can expect to see LS8 or LSA. I'm unaware of anything else that makes the cut at this point. These are the only motors that haven't been exclusively ruled out...

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

...mark my words...

The engine they'll use will not have the same output as any other engine out there right now. It *may* share a name...but it will be a modified version of something they are using right now.

It's just a feeling I have based on a year and a half of speculation.


EDIT: I am curious, though...based on comments like the one below - what engine are we talking about? The 'base' V8? or the monster?

If I were betting... Oh man I have tried to resist making a prediction...

Ah hell here's my prediciton.

Base V8: LS3
Option V8: LS8

Just guessing....

If I could have it MY way.

Base V8: LS8
Option V8 LSA

[Splicerguy]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

But a note for everyone here. The GenV's aren't going to start production untill 2010/2011....so don't get your hopes up for a Generation V engine at launch. Look instead for a modified GenIV engine.

fbodfather told us to forget everything we know about the engines....what if that includes the Gen V rollout schedule? That contract was negotiated before the new CAFE standards were imposed. They've already shown a version in that new GMC sportwagon thing in Detroit. I highly doubt the union would object if they wanted to build it sooner.

[Mr. Wyndham]

true...true. But I'm not gonna hold my breath.

[CaptianSam]

mustang will have 355 hp v8 in`08 the general will want to beat that ..... there is no GEN V until 2010!!!!!!!!!!.....and the ls3, l76, and l98 are the same BLOCK and qoute me if im wrong but the ls6 and lsa, lsx, ls8, ls9 are ALL the same block ls2
so you can make w.e power you want