Mustangs................

[DeathChill]

Extremely exciting stuff. I can't wait to hear more.

[GLBL WMR]

I am very interested to see how much the weight of the Mustang increases in 2011.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by stovt001

I'll say this now, Camaro dominance lasted 1 year. The Mustang already out-handles the Camaro and matches braking. With its superior size and weight, it almost kept up in the speed categories with the measly 4.6L. With the 5.0L, sorry, party's over boys.

Bah...the party hasn't even started.

Declaring the Camaro's 'reign' over assumes a LOT...like that Chevy won't make further improvements to the suspension (or offer a phantom "trackpack")....it assumes the interior won't be nip/tucked....and that the engineers won't use this time, and a well-earned successful launch to find some weight savings of their own.

Hmf. 2011 and 2012 is going to be interesting. But far be it from anyone to declare a "winner" just yet.

Originally Posted by syr74

As for Ford answering the Camaro with the 2011 Mustang....not really. At this point we know that the head of the Track Pack program was not benchmarking the Camaro when sorting out that setup, and the addition of the Cyclone V6 can't really be called a counter-move either since, at the moment, this is the only suitable base engine for a rwd Mustang currently in production. Literally, the only two choices were either a 3.5L Cyclone or a 3.7L Cyclone...and since the 4.0L Cologne has already ceased production we knew one or the other was coming. Genuinely, it was either the Cyclone or nothing.

As for the 5.0L, that program existed long before we knew what the Camaro would be bringing to the table in terms of power. I'm certain the Camaro wasn't ignored, but none of these programs was actually conceived as an answer to anything the Camaro specifically brings to the table.

This sounds awfully similar to the Camaro's story after being hit mercilessly with comments like "Without the Mustang this wouldn't have happened".

[Captain Awesome]

Who here things the 2011 Camaro is going to be identical to the 2010?

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by syr74

Bill Ford himself referred to a 400hp Mustang in a press conference the other day when discussing future cars, and cars of the 2011 model year in particular. I would argue that tells us exactly where Mustang GT will be in terms of power since we'll only see a base model, the GT, and the GT500 for 2011.

As for Ford answering the Camaro with the 2011 Mustang....not really. At this point we know that the head of the Track Pack program was not benchmarking the Camaro when sorting out that setup, and the addition of the Cyclone V6 can't really be called a counter-move either since, at the moment, this is the only suitable base engine for a rwd Mustang currently in production. Literally, the only two choices were either a 3.5L Cyclone or a 3.7L Cyclone...and since the 4.0L Cologne has already ceased production we knew one or the other was coming. Genuinely, it was either the Cyclone or nothing.

As for the 5.0L, that program existed long before we knew what the Camaro would be bringing to the table in terms of power. I'm certain the Camaro wasn't ignored, but none of these programs was actually conceived as an answer to anything the Camaro specifically brings to the table.

They knew that the Camaro was out for blood. It only makes sense to get started on something ridiculous. If they had no need for a 400-hp Mustang, then it might have entered the Mustang in response to other GM performance brands, including the Cobalt SS or Corvette, which posts some pretty ridiculously good times for any FWD 4-banger. Besides, GM's Camaro Concept had a 400-hp LS2 in it. There was no reason to believe it would have less power than that since 2006.

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Who here things the 2011 Camaro is going to be identical to the 2010?

We know it should have a HUD and possibly ambient lighting that includes the dash. There also might be a better rear end ratio. Traditionally, even model years signify cosmetic enhancements for GM while GM releases engineering improvement updates on odd model years.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Who here things the 2011 Camaro is going to be identical to the 2010?

I think it will be, maybe with some different gears though and some color options.

[comiskeybum]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Who here things the 2011 Camaro is going to be identical to the 2010?

it will be. no money to change, sorry

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Who here things the 2011 Camaro is going to be identical to the 2010?

Mechanically? [raises hand]. I'd bet real money that the only changes we'll see for MY2011 will simply be options packaging and cosmetics. It is almost a sure thing that some paint choices will be shuffled. New wheel designs or small interior tweaks aren't out of the question. I'd be very surprised if the C&C package wasn't offered on the 1SS, and we might see HUD and/or full ambient lighting. But a track pack, or better engines? Highly doubt it. Lighter weight? Doubt that even more. Better visibility? Out of the question.

[comiskeybum]

all 3 cars are pretty much equal now with the new mustang engines coming out. this matters to me not since i cant afford one. i still have my 4.0 pony package. and yanno what. im happy with that for now. years from now maybe ill buy a 2 year old 5.0 and save a lot of money

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

it will be. no money to change, sorry

I don't know where you're getting this. GM is going through a bankruptcy so that they can free themselves from debt (and therefore gain money). With the "success" of the Camaro so far (23,000 sold orders according to GM; how many are actually sold I do not know), I can't imagine it'd be in their best interests to let it stagnate.

We already know additional gear options will be coming (3.73), so that's at least one change. I am not saying that there will definitely be an update, but to say that there won't be as a 100% fact without any proof is silly.

[comiskeybum]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

I don't know where you're getting this. GM is going through a bankruptcy so that they can free themselves from debt (and therefore gain money). With the "success" of the Camaro so far (23,000 sold orders according to GM; how many are actually sold I do not know), I can't imagine it'd be in their best interests to let it stagnate.

We already know additional gear options will be coming (3.73), so that's at least one change. I am not saying that there will definitely be an update, but to say that there won't be as a 100% fact without any proof is silly.

but after 1 year? come on. maybe 2 years and then you tweak the engine and stuff a bit.

i serioulsy doubt we see much change in 2011

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by comiskeybum

but after 1 year? come on. maybe 2 years and then you tweak the engine and stuff a bit.

i serioulsy doubt we see much change in 2011

Seriously doubting is acceptable, but stating it as a 100% fact isn't.

[Georgie]

its going to get close now

[tjbusa]

Well GM started out with the baddest camaro ever..... Falcon punch to the pony