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OzCamaro · 01-10-2008, 12:58 AM

Okay. Time for an Australian opinion.
Is this car American? ABSOLUTELY 100%.
As quoted earlier this car is not simply a facelifted version of an Australian car like the GTO was and the G8 is. It may have been partlty designed here using some of our rwd technology but it most certainly has its own version of the zeta platform. Compare it to the G8 the wheelbase and track etc are custom designed for this car by chev(read "america"). Sure they were here but they weren't pulling it from an aussie designed car. IT IS AMERICAN DESIGNED. And they are going to build it in Canada...SO? Due to the facilities being there it makes sense. Does it make it Canadian? Hell NO. A cars true origion comes from who it was designed by and for. It was designed primarily by America for America. don't get me wrong, I'm happy Australia could lend a hand, but the car aint in anyway Australian. Just make sure you send rhd versions over to Australia and we'll call it even

*DGthe3* · 01-10-2008, 01:13 AM

So, to recap:

Canadians say its American
Americans say its American
The Australian(s) say its American

*TAG UR IT* · 01-10-2008, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaporS197

What's your stand? Cause apparently you don't have one...

Awe, c'mon my friend! Use that

button!

It's cool...messin' w/ ya. I did the search...and here's the links w/ my opinions.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557

and another thread on the topic...This would be the more important of the two. My opinions are expressed more in this one.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaporS197

Why do you need to take a stand?

I believe this is in reference to...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Nobody has taken a stand on this so I will.

But you had previously asked...

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaporS197

What's your stand?

I don't think he was meaning, "I'll take a STAND...as in I'll stand up for our Camaro." I think it was more along the lines of, "I'll be happy to express my opinion." And with that, I'll be happy to go ahead and express mine again too.

GM is a domestic name...even if they are going global. The Camaro is being built in Canada. At this point in time, with the ratings of all the plants that it could be built in, I wouldn't WANT it built anywhere else! The Camaro has always been American. The brand is American. This, to me, is pure American...even though it's being built in Canada.

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Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

GM is not trying to outsource its cars or its employees... there are cars that are made by Daewoo (Chevy Aveo) and there are cars that are made by Holden (2004-2006 Pontiac GTO, all Vauxhall VX-Rs, etc.) and there are cars that are made by GM's North American domestic names (i.e., the 4th gen Camaros were shipped globally and built by Chevrolet in the Ste. Therese plant in Canada)... but GM is an American car company... and while Holden, Vauxhall, Opel and Saab are companies that are, by their nameplate, foreign cars, they are all produced by the same General Motors that is based in Detroit, MI, area.

there are cars that are North American domestic, Japanese domestic, European domestic, etc.... and those cars are really only available in certain areas of the world... IMO, the Camaro is an American name and always will be... it was born in the USA, was produced in the USA for years and only since the 4th gen (were there any Canadian produced 2nd or 3rd gens? hmmmm) has it been produced in Canada... to me, that's an American car... if it were a rehashing of the Monaro (like the GTO was), I might have a little gripe... but as it stands right now, they are going to be on the same platform and that's it... to say that the Camaro is less American than it has been in the past would be akin to saying that the last generation of Thunderbird was less American because it shared the same LS platform as the Jaguars... and I believe we can both agree that the last Thunderbird was a very American car.

cliff's notes: Camaro is an American nameplate, no matter where it is developed... GM is an American company, no matter what car companies it owns... I dont know if there were any Camaros produced outside of the USA before the 4th gen

Amen to that Turtle. Every word....truth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

So, to recap:

Canadians say its American
Americans say its American
The Australian(s) say its American

And you sir, have also hit the nail on the head!!!

stovt001 · 01-10-2008, 02:57 AM

Physically, pretty much all cars are global now. Design, engineering, parts, and assembly come from all over. That is just the nature of the modern business world. However, in spirit, the Camaro is 100% American. It is what essentially defines an "American" car. A bold, high horsepower coupe. Europeans are known for quick, tight handling sport sedans, the Japanese are known for efficient practical small cars, and we have the muscle car. Oversimplified stereotypes? Increasingly, yes. But traditionally, each region has its own trademarks.

*The_Blur* · 01-10-2008, 03:36 AM

The results are pretty clearly favoring terming the Camaro a domestic for US drivers.

My post was also not intended for insult. I don't know how anyone could find it offensive, since most of it was discussing styles and shapes, but I apologize if anyone was offended. I have an incredible amount of respect for the foreign market. Most of the time, I look up to BMW in the style department, Subaru for supreme AWD, Toyota's Scion branch for company-sponsored aftermarket (whoops GMPP's ass), and Lamborghini for just having ridiculously classy cars. All of these cars come from local cultures that inspired competition, and the local customers had different demands of their companies which led them to fit a stereotype, at least to some extent. Ferrari and Lamborghini feature angular shapes; BMW and Mercedes feature chrome accents with more boxy body characteristics highlighted by geometrical lighting; American cars tend to fit whatever trend is popular at the time, unfortunately. The Camaro derives its shape and culture from the classic shape of American muscle cars and the interior from leather and chrome, luxuries that Americans love all but too much. We Americans love power, noise, and luxury. I can't wait to drive my pretty, fast, loud, comfortable Camaro.

RiceRocket · 01-10-2008, 08:21 AM

Definitely an import.

In fact....I thought you guys might enjoy the spy pics I found from GM, showing what the production Camaro will REALLY look like when it hits dealerships:

BUHAHAHAHAHA!!!

*DGthe3* · 01-10-2008, 08:34 AM

Thats the first truly bad picture (real or not) that I have seen of the new Camaro

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-10-2008, 09:03 AM

Actually...None of you can tell me that the Car doesn't talk to you in some fashion - and that one looks like a German Shepard dressed up in a tutu, and a mohawk....it's saying: Wtf, are you letting him do to me?

And not surprisingly, it still looks American. Attempted to be riced out, but the design completely overpowers that.

VaporS197 · 01-10-2008, 09:56 AM

I'll have you guys know that I voted NOT AN IMPORT...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I think thats the problem, the car has always been an iconic American car, and so to have it outsourced to such a degree will not be welcomed by some

Very good point! Maybe it was just a shock to me to see this happening. After we all discussed this yesterday, I can't say I'm bothered by it. It was just a shock to me as I did research on the Camaro, Chevy and even GM.

*TAG UR IT* · 01-10-2008, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiceRocket

Definitely an import.

In fact....I thought you guys might enjoy the spy pics I found from GM, showing what the production Camaro will REALLY look like when it hits dealerships:

BUHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Definitely funny!!! And I pray that's the last I see of those!

That's the secoond horrible pic I've seen.
What I want to know...is who actually picked IMPORT??? I'd like to know their reasoning behind them thinking it was an import.

VaporS197 · 01-10-2008, 12:40 PM

They're probably just FN with ya

*TAG UR IT* · 01-10-2008, 12:48 PM

^That's what I was thinking. But, if they were serious, I'd really like to know why.

[KRPT]ECP · 01-10-2008, 12:50 PM

as would I. I want to see what points they will make to support their opinion.

RiceRocket · 01-10-2008, 05:06 PM

Cmon...really guys.
Who do you THINK voted "import?"

I love getting you dumbestic guys all riled up.

Seriously though....who says it's NOT an import?
Made in Canada.......it's a canuk car.

eh?

View Poll Results: Import or not?
Import	6	8.82%
Not an import	62	91.18%
Voters: 68. You may not vote on this poll

01-10-2008, 01:13 AM	#100
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	So, to recap: Canadians say its American Americans say its American The Australian(s) say its American __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum Last edited by DGthe3; 01-10-2008 at 01:14 AM. Reason: typo

01-10-2008, 03:36 AM	#103
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,768	The results are pretty clearly favoring terming the Camaro a domestic for US drivers. My post was also not intended for insult. I don't know how anyone could find it offensive, since most of it was discussing styles and shapes, but I apologize if anyone was offended. I have an incredible amount of respect for the foreign market. Most of the time, I look up to BMW in the style department, Subaru for supreme AWD, Toyota's Scion branch for company-sponsored aftermarket (whoops GMPP's ass), and Lamborghini for just having ridiculously classy cars. All of these cars come from local cultures that inspired competition, and the local customers had different demands of their companies which led them to fit a stereotype, at least to some extent. Ferrari and Lamborghini feature angular shapes; BMW and Mercedes feature chrome accents with more boxy body characteristics highlighted by geometrical lighting; American cars tend to fit whatever trend is popular at the time, unfortunately. The Camaro derives its shape and culture from the classic shape of American muscle cars and the interior from leather and chrome, luxuries that Americans love all but too much. We Americans love power, noise, and luxury. I can't wait to drive my pretty, fast, loud, comfortable Camaro. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

01-10-2008, 08:21 AM	#104
RiceRocket Resident Ricer Drives: 93 Supra TT Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 99	Definitely an import. In fact....I thought you guys might enjoy the spy pics I found from GM, showing what the production Camaro will REALLY look like when it hits dealerships: BUHAHAHAHAHA!!! __________________

01-10-2008, 08:34 AM	#105
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	Thats the first truly bad picture (real or not) that I have seen of the new Camaro __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

01-10-2008, 12:58 AM	#99
OzCamaro Drives: Holden Commodore Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 12	Okay. Time for an Australian opinion. Is this car American? ABSOLUTELY 100%. As quoted earlier this car is not simply a facelifted version of an Australian car like the GTO was and the G8 is. It may have been partlty designed here using some of our rwd technology but it most certainly has its own version of the zeta platform. Compare it to the G8 the wheelbase and track etc are custom designed for this car by chev(read "america"). Sure they were here but they weren't pulling it from an aussie designed car. IT IS AMERICAN DESIGNED. And they are going to build it in Canada...SO? Due to the facilities being there it makes sense. Does it make it Canadian? Hell NO. A cars true origion comes from who it was designed by and for. It was designed primarily by America for America. don't get me wrong, I'm happy Australia could lend a hand, but the car aint in anyway Australian. Just make sure you send rhd versions over to Australia and we'll call it even

01-10-2008, 02:57 AM	#102
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	Physically, pretty much all cars are global now. Design, engineering, parts, and assembly come from all over. That is just the nature of the modern business world. However, in spirit, the Camaro is 100% American. It is what essentially defines an "American" car. A bold, high horsepower coupe. Europeans are known for quick, tight handling sport sedans, the Japanese are known for efficient practical small cars, and we have the muscle car. Oversimplified stereotypes? Increasingly, yes. But traditionally, each region has its own trademarks.

01-10-2008, 09:03 AM	#106
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Actually...None of you can tell me that the Car doesn't talk to you in some fashion - and that one looks like a German Shepard dressed up in a tutu, and a mohawk....it's saying: Wtf, are you letting him do to me? And not surprisingly, it still looks American. Attempted to be riced out, but the design completely overpowers that. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

01-10-2008, 12:40 PM	#109
VaporS197 Drives: 2008 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Baltimore Posts: 35	They're probably just FN with ya

01-10-2008, 12:48 PM	#110
TAG UR IT www.Camaro5store.com Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 26,544 View My Garage	^That's what I was thinking. But, if they were serious, I'd really like to know why.

01-10-2008, 12:50 PM	#111
[KRPT]ECP Professional Lurker Drives: '97 LeSabre Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 132	as would I. I want to see what points they will make to support their opinion.

01-10-2008, 05:06 PM	#112
RiceRocket Resident Ricer Drives: 93 Supra TT Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 99	Cmon...really guys. Who do you THINK voted "import?" I love getting you dumbestic guys all riled up. Seriously though....who says it's NOT an import? Made in Canada.......it's a canuk car. eh? __________________