Long Tube Header Crazy Dyno Claims Wearing Me Out!

[axis]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Agreed. But if there is a shoot out on the horizon the info won't hurt . The grand scheme of things the Stainless Power headers should be up there as far as bang for the buck. The stepped and the tri-y designs intrigue me though. I'm looking to do everything possible to encourage TQ production. If one of the aforementioned designs encourages that enough to justify the extra cost than I'll spend it. Otherwise I keep my money and get the SP's...

The point is, if the test doesn't go the way someone may want, they'll find fault in the testing method. Then you'll have to make the decision based on your belief that the testing was accurate or not. Do yourself a favor and buy a set based on the results that are already out there and be happy. The Pfadts may or may not give a little under the curve but they are without a doubt second to none in quality. You can't really go wrong with any set you choose.

[chef-beavis]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Not necessarily. You're making it sound like the tuner is going to test one header/tune like 15 times and then get lazy as he tests the rest of them. That doesn't happen. And no matter what you do, no engine is going to keep making more and more power as you continually alter a tune. If that were so we'd all have like 10 million hp on stock engines. It doesn't work that way. And even if a small amount of hp can be squeezed out or is left on the table, that amount won't be significant at all. And it certainly won't be decisive in any individual decision to purchase one brand over another. We all know that a certain amount of hp can be attributable to any given pull. Or even a difference in collector length, bends in the header, smoothness of the openings, variances in the tune, temps and humidity, etc. So even if you are correct, and one tune on brand Y is more optimal than a tune on brand X causing brand Y to make more power than brand X, that amount will probably be like 5 hp IF that. We all know enough that we're not gonna sing praises if SW headers makes 5 hp more than TSP headers. We will know that they are both within the norm for that particular size. Plus, this test is not really to compare one header to another, it seems like it is more to compare the actual real world gains to the advertised manufacturers claims.

I'll buy the last statement. I'll agree to disagree on the rest. You took me a bit out of context. I never spoke of infinite power. I spoke of minimal differences that would produce no clear winner and I know life goes by the time your are dialing 4 or 5 types in. Long day. Tired. Etc. Combo 4 or 5 likely does get less attention to detail. Shy of some dramatically different design or runner size they are all going to be close. Pick the company you have faith in and go with what they recommend for your combo. Nobody is going to take stock block and heads and put in a tiny cam with a huge intake and 2" runners. You follow general guidelines. If you stick with that everything applicable is going to be close.

If the whole point is to debunk people making crazy claims I'd be first in line to watch.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

First I don't think the test will ever happen. So far none of the vendors or manufacturers have seemed to want to participate with the exception of Texas Speed. I had suggested in another thread for every SS owner to contribute $5, maybe $10 and most of the headers could be bought especially if the manufacturers would be willing to sell them at cost to show how their product performs. If they wouldn't, well......after the test the slightly used headers could be sold and most of the money recouped.

Second I would love to see some cheapos too in the mix. Most probably aren't aware, but....

The fastest NA, stock cubed car on here (Ryan's aka Rhino) runs what I believe are the cheapest headers made for our cars....

The 3rd fastest bolt on L99 runs cheap brand headers as well with dents in them! So I think it's safe to say that just Bc it's cheap, doesn't mean it won't perform great. Will it last forever? Couldn't tell ya.
Im not pushing for people to buy the cheap brands bc i really dont care what brands people buy. That's their business and their money.

But I'm changing my headers out within the next 2 weeks. I'm now hunting for every single hp and tq and I'm gonna find them all until the record is broken.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

But I'm changing my headers out within the next 2 weeks. I'm now hunting for every single hp and tq and I'm gonna find them all until the record is broken.

Enjoy it while it lasts

[62nalide]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

First I don't think the test will ever happen. So far none of the vendors or manufacturers have seemed to want to participate with the exception of Texas Speed. I had suggested in another thread for every SS owner to contribute $5, maybe $10 and most of the headers could be bought especially if the manufacturers would be willing to sell them at cost to show how their product performs. If they wouldn't, well......after the test the slightly used headers could be sold and most of the money recouped.

Second I would love to see some cheapos too in the mix. Most probably aren't aware, but....

The fastest NA, stock cubed car on here (Ryan's aka Rhino) runs what I believe are the cheapest headers made for our cars....

I thought he is running kooks?

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

I thought he is running kooks?

No unless he has changed.

He was running MBS headers.

[Camarojt]

No he's not running kooks. There cheapos.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

First I don't think the test will ever happen. So far none of the vendors or manufacturers have seemed to want to participate with the exception of Texas Speed. I had suggested in another thread for every SS owner to contribute $5, maybe $10 and most of the headers could be bought especially if the manufacturers would be willing to sell them at cost to show how their product performs. If they wouldn't, well......after the test the slightly used headers could be sold and most of the money recouped.

Second I would love to see some cheapos too in the mix. Most probably aren't aware, but....

The fastest NA, stock cubed car on here (Ryan's aka Rhino) runs what I believe are the cheapest headers made for our cars....

Originally Posted by Bo White

Most everyone here has a PayPal. I can send money......and depending on when I'll be there.

Well then it would be a discussion over who gets the headers after the testing is all done. If we all chip in, then how will we decide who gets what? There will be several headers left and lots of people who donated $5 and $10. Names in a hat? Raffle?

And to address which vendors will step up. I'm pretty sure TSP will step up. They've been challenging every one for an independent test for a while and nobody has accepted their challenge. It's like everyone is scared of them, lol!! I can definitely see the top and most expensive brands stepping down. Mainly because there is nothing in it for them. If they make more power, then whoopdeedoo...they also cost over $1,000. If they make less power, then that is just embarrassing. So there is no win in it for them. So they probably won't offer a set. And I bet they'd pull a lawsuit threat if such a test was done without their permission. But they'll be the first to talk all that "Made in America" and "support our industry" and "we're the best hands down" and "blahblah blah hp/tq to the wheels"...

[The_Blur]

I was looking for headers for the LS1 in my Firebird, and I was really impressed to see all the companies offering headers that give up to 60 rwhp without any tuning at all. Had I known this a few years ago, I would've bought a 4thgen back then!

[Alot9439]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well then it would be a discussion over who gets the headers after the testing is all done. If we all chip in, then how will we decide who gets what? There will be several headers left and lots of people who donated $5 and $10. Names in a hat? Raffle?

And to address which vendors will step up. I'm pretty sure TSP will step up. They've been challenging every one for an independent test for a while and nobody has accepted their challenge. It's like everyone is scared of them, lol!! I can definitely see the top and most expensive brands stepping down. Mainly because there is nothing in it for them. If they make more power, then whoopdeedoo...they also cost over $1,000. If they make less power, then that is just embarrassing. So there is no win in it for them. So they probably won't offer a set. And I bet they'd pull a lawsuit threat if such a test was done without their permission. But they'll be the first to talk all that "Made in America" and "support our industry" and "we're the best hands down" and "blahblah blah hp/tq to the wheels"...

Would a lawsuit be on valid grounds if a person bought their product and tested them ? and compared them. Its like saying person "A" bought a car and pulled the engine and tested it and it was making less than advertised would the car company sue him ?

[Bo White]

A couple of the fastest G8s have Pacesetters.

[Mydivorcegift]

Blaq...

That's a great idea to do a "name in the hat" for the headers.

My thought was to sell them after the test and reimburse people. Using round #'s...everyone chips in $10...headers after testing are sold for 80% of value everyone gets $8 back.

But really I like your idea better. It could be the header lottery

[Rhino79]

Correct. I have Mbs headers. No longer made, but what I didn't know at the time is they are just borla 1 7/8 clones.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by Rhino79

Correct. I have Mbs headers. No longer made, but what I didn't know at the time is they are just borla 1 7/8 clones.

Just think how much faster you would have gone witha set of donkey dick headers, that make xxx "under the curve", blah blah blah