New video... Z/28 vs Mustang Boss 302

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Which leaves them with no direct competitor. I'll bet the midnite oil is burning while they hustle a Gen-6 replacement to market. A base GT won't cut it, and latest rumors seem to indicate the "halo" version may not appear until about the same time the Gen-6 Camaro launches.

Still, it is a disappointment that Ford would leave its customers in the lurch at this exciting, defining moment in automotive history. Kind of goes against the pro-Ford folks. For no really good reason.

The great thing about the Gen-5 Z/28: It will be THE benchmark, not only for others in Detroit (including the Gen-6 Z/28), but for other brands falling short of actual on-track performance. Blood, sweat, toil and tears will ensue, for all.

Count on it.

I agree. It does suck, and I understand why GM compared it to the Boss. I don't really think its a disappointment for Pro Ford people though. the Z/28 was kept so hush hush it literally came out of no where. Ford made the Boss when it had no competition either, GM responded and they brought a B52 to the gun fight haha. Im sure Ford will respond and eventually they will get to the point where the cars that compete with each other are around at teh same time

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Denis

That 1LE and the Boss are damn close! that would be a fun race to watch.

Was there ever a clear comparo between these two? I don't remember seeing it. I know they posted the VIR times, but beyond that, I don't remember one.

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Nice car. But let me get this straight... a yet to be released very expensive Camaro is beating up on a used, reasonably priced 2012 Boss 302 and I'm supposed to be impressed, why exactly?

I would like to hear from anyone who ever bought a new Boss 302 LS at sticker price. The only one I ever saw was marked up to $73k

Oh wait, I know. This pretty much guarantees the next performance variant of the Mustang will be on my shopping list. Thanks Al. And to think I was considering a Porsche next.

I have done that...5 new Mustangs when they trounced the equivelent Chevy models. I am glad both of these cars are made in America (for the most part)...lol.

[aggieguy13]

well seeings how the Boss cant even beat the 1LE its kinda up a shit creek w/ the z/28

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Was there ever a clear comparo between these two? I don't remember seeing it. I know they posted the VIR times, but beyond that, I don't remember one.

According to friends in the auto-rag biz, GM was willing, but their counterpart never seemed to have an LS available at the right time...and they never did allow an authorized test of the base BOSS, only the LS...

So much for all those people talkin' 'bout "$40K BOSSes"...

[aggieguy13]

the Base sticker is 42,000 with absolutely nothing added.

[trademaster]

Does anyone know the specs of the GT500 they used? The gap between ZL1 and GT500 isn't very consistent with independent tests. If the GT500 is a base version that might explain it. I guess it could also be attributed to the drivers having a lot more Camaro seat time. That is a very large gap.

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

They have a year-and-a-half head start. Jamal better not plan an extended vacation. And just like he reverse-engineered an SLP ZL585 in '09, I'm sure he's sweatin' the small stuff over an ATS as we speak. If not sooner.

Clearly everything ford has, or will ever do, is a reaction to GM.

And when it's NOT a reaction, the appropriate rebuttal is ford had a head start.

Gotcha

[aggieguy13]

But effectively as of this model year is the only time ford will make something that 1/4mi competes. As Shelby is not renewing it's factory contract.

The handling already comes nowhere close. As the 60-65k top dog mustang can't beat a SS that has the equivalent of the track pack. Let alone the zl1 and z28. Comparing the cars it's

1le vs gt premium
Boss 302 LS vs z/28
And
Zl1 vs gt500

Which 1v1 strip or track, granted a couple are driver battles, the only edge ford has is gt500 vs zl1 in the 1/4. Camaro has 1/4 and track on all other accounts. Calling the 1le vs gt-prem 1/4 a drivers race

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by aggieguy13

But effectively as of this model year is the only time ford will make something that 1/4mi competes. As Shelby is not renewing it's factory contract.

The handling already comes nowhere close. As the 60-65k top dog mustang can't beat a SS that has the equivalent of the track pack. Let alone the zl1 and z28. Comparing the cars it's

1le vs gt premium
Boss 302 LS vs z/28
And
Zl1 vs gt500

Which 1v1 strip or track, granted a couple are driver battles, the only edge ford has is gt500 vs zl1 in the 1/4. Camaro has 1/4 and track on all other accounts. Calling the 1le vs gt-prem 1/4 a drivers race

Do we really have to go over this Shelby thing again?

If the rumors about the GT350 are accurate it will probably run similar ETs to the current GT500 and the new GT will probably run the 1/4 a lot faster than the current Boss. Everything about the next year lineup of Mustangs is just conjecture at this point.

[aggieguy13]

Which is the stupidest thing Shelby could ever do. His sons an idiot. Yes per unit they will make FAR more. But they will never make anywhere near the same amount of money because each unit has to be taken to Shelby. And even people who have the money won't want to mess with that unless they are local

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by aggieguy13

Which is the stupidest thing Shelby could ever do. His sons an idiot. Yes per unit they will make FAR more. But they will never make anywhere near the same amount of money because each unit has to be taken to Shelby. And even people who have the money won't want to mess with that unless they are local

What are you talking about? The contract with Shelby was simply a name licensing agreement. The GT500 was developed, designed, and built in house by Ford's SVT team with modest input from Shelby American. Shelby has not dropped Ford, Ford has dropped the GT500 name. Shelby is not going to take over production of GT500s as they neither have the tooling or licensing necessary to do so.

[CTSV2012]

4 seconds faster is a huge difference than the Boss.

[97SS]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Your the ONLY Camaro fan I've heard of that's embarrassed by the Z/28.

Maybe I should stop and eliminate the word "embarrassment", in my posts. My opinion is truely and an un-biased point of vew, and nothig more then just giving where credit is due, where credit is due (and yes, I think the Z/28 is amazing car, and can't for it to come out). But putting a 427 powered, IRS, 305 R Compound Tires, 60 more hp and a price tag that will be higher then the ZL1 etc. (the list goes on) does not impress me one bit putting it against an out of production car, which got nothing but flawless reviews (from all the articles, mags, youtubes etc. that I have read and seen) and actually seeing them at the track. The Boss 302 is one amazing car. My hat is off to Ford, for bringing back a legend that was produced to race in the SCCA Trans Am Series. I got to ride in a few of them at Willow Springs, and the first words that come out of your mouth are "This is a Mustang?!"
And again, My hat is off to the people who part of the Boss program, who didn't give the Ford guys a sticker packaged car. My love for there history, and how they keep alive, just as I wish Chevy would do.

It would be so cool to see the new Z/28 with a high revving 302 in it (as it was also originally produced, to compete in the SCCA Trans Am Series - in which they did quite well), with a 7600+ Redline!

I wish the Detroit MFG's would work as a team, and base there comparisons on the Europeans, Japanese, Koreans cars etc. and them intimidated, because we have history, tooling, engineers etc. to do so.

My comment about Dave Pericak. He never mentioned the Camaro "ONCE" in his interview. His target was a BMW M3, in which they demolished it, on its first time out. Again, I couldn't think of any better way, to intimidate some of these MFG's in other countries. Especially since the Mustang is planning to go global.

I am really excited to see what Mopar, Chevy and Ford, have next in line for enthusiasts.

[newmoon]

What we need to see is all the cars compared (ZL1, Z-28, Boss LS, 500) at the track on the same day, with the manufacturer's selecting whom they would like to pilot their cars. Comparing laps that did not occur on the same day in the same conditions is really pointless. There are numerous examples of how magazine editors can not extract the vehicles best times, nor repeat what the manufacturer's claims may be.