GT350 to MSRP at $47,870; R at $61,370

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So with all the Z/28 inventory sitting on the dealer lots not moving you still consider the Z/28 a win for Chevy. If this car is so great why are they not selling?

The more you post, the more clueless you sound. So only "great" cars are fast sellers? So the Corolla must be God's gift to the automotive world!

Once again, this is a limited production, hardcore, track-oriented car. It caters to a very small niche of enthusiasts. Dodge's halo car sells what, 50 a month? And that's after stacking $15,000 on the hood.

While the rest of the World marvels at the fact that this car exists AT ALL, you continue to whine about the price as if Chevrolet owes you something. Believe me when I say, they do not.

Originally Posted by newmoon

You would have thought that the supposed target buyers like GTR, Porsche, BMW, etc, owners would be selling their cars to buy this 75k bargain Z/28?

You are clearly not the target audience for this car, nor do you understand the target demographic. GM didn't set out with intention to poach buyers away from the GT-R, 911 - those cars cost FAR more and offer more amenities, options and luxury than the Camaro. The Z/28 is a no frills, off the shelf track car. The fact that it performs on par with said cars for far less speaks volumes to the engineering efforts that went into it.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Problem is they did not, while they may have been impressed with the track numbers they didn't feel the car was worth 75k, because after all it was still a Camaro. The Camaro loyalist couldn't afford the price tag.

Camaro loyalists and track junkies CAN afford the Z/28 just like Dodge loyalists can afford a Hellcat. The Hellcat is still a Dodge no? Ford loyalists can afford the GT500 and GT350. We live in an age of $60k pony cars - accept it.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Chevy made a mistake with the Z/28 going all out track only focus. They would have been much better served to have offered something similar to this GT350, a car within the financial reach that you could option up depending on your budget. Instead they wanted the editor headlines, which while entertaining to read very few would lay down the dollars to buy.

That's like saying NASA made a mistake making space shuttles only perform well in space!? That's exactly what it was designed for! I'm sorry this disappoints you. I bet you get mad that your lawnmower won't make you sandwiches too. Not everyone is constrained by YOUR budget. You may have missed it, but Chevrolet launched a 1LE package for the SS in 2013 which kicked the wind, water and sh!t out of the Boss 302 LS for a measly $37,000. Want more track performance? There's the Z/28 or Corvette. It's nice to have options.

Originally Posted by newmoon

To answer the question, no I can't think of another domestic car other than the Viper, and Vette that can compete with the Z/28 on the track.

Please describe the back seat of the Viper and Corvette for us. I said 2+2 and I NEVER limited it to domestics. The base Corvette can't keep up with the Z/28 on the track and the base Viper is $10,000 more.

Originally Posted by Stingray

IMO, the Z/28 isn't a failure in terms of performance... but in terms of sales and features/amenities for its pricepoint, then it falls behind.

I just think it was just overpriced from the getgo. It's clearly a one-hit wonder.... albeit an expensive one.

As I said above, this car was NEVER intended to be a volume car. Be thankful it exists at all. As for the price, show me anything remotely close to this price that comes with carbon ceramic brakes, multimatic DSSV dampers and a hand built engine as standard equipment from the factory. Sure your gorgeous Z06 is superior in every way (except back seat space lol) but it too is a perennial performance bargain.

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by Stingray

^ I won't disagree with many of your points... and the Z/28 is still a badazz ride but specifically for track purposes. In regards to deciding between the Z06 and the Z/28, for me personally it was quite easy... a $75k'ish Z/28 or a $80k Z06 for street and track use..... needless to say, I chose the latter.





That's exactly one of my focal points.

BTW, my GT350 order is in... an Avalanche Gray (DR + 900A non-R) with the Track Package (60T) and Painted Black Roof (94B) options.
I'll add an over-the-top stripe kit w/ a different trim color later on since Ford's current stripe offering options aren't to my liking...

Nice Z06. They are awesome cars for those that can fit comfortably in them. I'm 6'5" with a 38" inseam. My knees are pressed firmly to the lower end of the dash when seated inside no matter what I do.

Best wishes with the new GT350, I glad you'll be happy. Personally, I don't like it's looks. Not a slam on the vehicle or those who like it, just my opinion.

No doubt that both are great cars!!

On another related note, I've yet to see a Z06 that was under 90K. I know the base MSRP was 80K but I've never laid eyes on such a beast. Not saying they don't exist, just never seen it.

Originally Posted by shaffe

THIS ^



Like woodside said, I believe Chevy would do it similar to the way Ford is doing the GT350. Because yes you can option a GT350R close to Z/28 MSRP- it also has way more content in it when loaded. Or you can strip it down and have the pure track car like GM did. Had they had two versions of it like Ford does with the GT350 I would bet they would have sold instantly because 427 Camaro just sounds awesome.



Agreed, from everything I have read this thing is going to scream on the top end

Can't say I disagree with you as far as two versions are concerned when it comes to sales.

[Stingray]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

Nice Z06. They are awesome cars for those that can fit comfortably in them. I'm 6'5" with a 38" inseam. My knees are pressed firmly to the lower end of the dash when seated inside no matter what I do.

Best wishes with the new GT350, I glad you'll be happy. Personally, I don't like it's looks. Not a slam on the vehicle or those who like it, just my opinion.

No doubt that both are great cars!!

On another related note, I've yet to see a Z06 that was under 90K. I know the base MSRP was 80K but I've never laid eyes on such a beast. Not saying they don't exist, just never seen it.

Not to venture too far off topic but I agree, it gets cramped in the interior for anyone who is 6++ feet tall! And in regards to the <90K Z06, mine is a perfect example since I ordered it that way back in Sept. 2014... the only option I wanted was the PDR/Nav pkg. A 1LZ Z06 is already well-equipped and GM already increased the base price by 1K a few months ago. Plus it's a M7 for me all day long... a very fun engaging beast on the track where I can now keep up and/or pass GT3's!

Back on topic... the true base MSRP of the GT350 is technically $49,995 because of the mandatory dest fee ($825) and the gg tax ($1300).

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Oh the melodrama! GM isn't "screwing" you. You are NOT the target audience for high-performance track cars or world class luxury sport sedans. The Z/28 is a LIMITED production car. The SS sedan is a LIMITED import car. They are priced according to what enthusiasts are willing to pay.

You whine about being too expensive then you whine about GM offering discounts on outgoing models? ($2,000 is NOT 20% by the way)

The Hellcat doesn't compete with the GT350 or Z/28, but your desperate attempts to mention it in every thread is amusing. Did you land a social media job with Fiat?

Interesting read from a few days ago.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...tes-95801.html

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Interesting read from a few days ago.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...tes-95801.html

What's so interesting about it? It's says nothing except they're curious, which means nothing........

[Stingray]

Here's another one from BoldRide... pretty good tempting deal for anyone on the Z/28 decision fence. Maybe perhaps a rebuttal to the GT350 price leak??

http://news.boldride.com/2015/05/cam...ice-cut/79828/

"The 2016 Chevrolet Camaro has only just made its big debut, and enthusiasts are excited to get their hands on the sixth-generation of the car. That means 2015 and 2014 Camaros are now the underdogs as they sit on dealer lots. Chevrolet is offering several incentives to move those models before the new one hits dealerships this fall.

According to GM Authority, the 2014 is being offered with a $3,000 cash allowance on all models with an extra $1,000 good only for the Z/28. That $4,000 discount brings the MSRP of the 2014 Camaro Z/28 down to $68,305.

There is also a discount on the 2015 Camaro, but it’s not quite as deep as the 2014 model. Every 2015 gets a $1,000 cash allowance with an extra $1,000 for the Z/28. This takes the MSRP of the 2015 Camaro Z/28 down to $70,305. That’s not quite as good as the 2014, but it will still save you a bit of cash and make getting one of these parked in your driveway easier.

The offer is good for a limited time and with certain restrictions. The discounts are not available with finance or lease offers and consumers have to take delivery of their new car by June 1. If you’ve been thinking of purchasing a new Camaro, now’s your chance. Plus you’ll be helping Chevy inflate its Camaro numbers versus the Mustang."

[gen6waiter]

Originally Posted by mt3130

But Z28s don't sell for MSRP, they sell for 20%+ less than MSRP. Good luck getting that price on the GT350.

I probably shouldn't have even comment in here, because I don't really see the value in either car, because I don't track my cars.

To me, $50k for a stripper model with a bigger engine is a terrible value. If the suspension/brakes/etc. that actually make this car shine were included, then it would be quite special.

[v8]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

I was about to go to Ford dealer tomorrow and ask for a quote because this is the deal of the century!!! But then I see the canadian base price is 62K$ WTF!!??? It went from the best deal to the worst deal, Z28 style.

Hellcat is 59K us and 63K cad. GT350 49K us and 62K cad?? Someone is on crack big time.

Give me a damn Stingray or a Hellcat then.

If the dollar value goes up next year Ill buy it in NY. ****k me.

Just FYI - The Hellcat in Canada MSRP is over 70K now. Dodge has adjusted its price. Almost no one got one for 63, they started with big mark ups and as the base price went up the mark ups came down, but they still run over 70K at the dealers.

[Robertf65]

The GT350 sounds like an amazing car, but I can't stand the new front end styling. Too weird.

[BaylorCamaro]

I LOVE the front end. Can't stand the back end though..

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by v8

Just FYI - The Hellcat in Canada MSRP is over 70K now. Dodge has adjusted its price. Almost no one got one for 63, they started with big mark ups and as the base price went up the mark ups came down, but they still run over 70K at the dealers.

Well I just realize that!! I swear it was 63k $ in the beginning!!

Ill be waiting then... A ll solid roller in my LS3 could solve a lot of problem.. hehe

[shine2013]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Buy one the same color as your Boss, she'll never notice the difference...

[Muscle Car Lover]

Enjoy all this while you can. It won't last, it never does.

[Trans damm]

What does this mean for A new Z28? Will they build a cheeper car to compete with the 350 and then the Zl1 will be the more expensive car to compete with the 500?