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[Emu the Foo]

i didnt get to read eveyones post but ill just say this. the mustang gt is around 30k, but remember its a weak v8. very very weak especially compared to the ls3. so gm can make affordable camaros but that doesnt mean that they have to all be under 35k. horse power is in demand and that means money. so the higher horse power v8s can be alot more expansive, since affordable means that it can start at a good price but doesnt have to end there. also everyone has their own idea of affordable. there are many good opinions and things i would like to quote, but there are too many. that being said now i dont know if i want to wait atleast till the refresh.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by radz282003

LOL, no kidding. Although I like the "bigger the better' moto, I'd prefer a LS9 over a big block any day. Don't get me wrong; I love the rat motors, but I love the LSX motors more. As long as I can get close to 500 horsepower in a 3700 lb. Camaro, I'll be a happy camper.

Fingers crossed.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Emu the Foo

the mustang gt is around 30k,

...It is? 'Cause according to their site, a Base-trim GT starts at 26,080......
There WILL be a V8 under 30k dollars (I'm betting 27,000 - 28,000). I'll stake my life on it. And I'll even present a few reasons

1) The LS1, and the LS2 cost about the same to produce. (LS2 is a few hundred more expensive iirc).
2) The LS3 is less expensive to produce than the LS2. (yet you'll find more hp.)
3) Mustang starts at ~26k (just goin' by the site ) And the Camaro MUST come close to that otherwise its a failure from the start.
4) We've been told countless times "not to worry", and to "have faith". All in response to these types of threads, where the content is read. So they know what we're thinking...and we're told not to worry.
5) The G8, an extremely WELL equipped Pontiac sedan with a V8 starts at 29k. Take away "sedan", and "Pontiac" and "well equipped" from the get-go - and you're lookin' at -3000 easy, imo.

I'm not trying to rag on you or nothin' - it was just a perfect opening for me to post this. And lots of people have brought this up before, worrying about an expensive Camaro - so I wanted to address it: Don't worry about pricing. GM's got this!

(of course, you could also be talking about the GT-500 fighter - I don't think you are - in which case this whole post would be moot)

EDIT: I forgot to add that the G8, completely decked-out, just barely tops 33 grand..........

[stovt001]

Honestly, I'm so amazed the G8 came in under 30 grand. The solstice GXP, with 2 seats and a 4 banger comes in at 28. Yeah I know its a convertible and has many other differences, but a sub-2 grand difference tells me that Pontiac just needed to break that 30 grand mark for bragging rights. And it goes to show that is GM wants to deliver a car at a target price (in this case coming darn close to the Mustang) they can do it.

[Emu the Foo]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

...It is? 'Cause according to their site, a Base-trim GT starts at 26,080......
There WILL be a V8 under 30k dollars (I'm betting 27,000 - 28,000). I'll stake my life on it. And I'll even present a few reasons

1) The LS1, and the LS2 cost about the same to produce. (LS2 is a few hundred more expensive iirc).
2) The LS3 is less expensive to produce than the LS2. (yet you'll find more hp.)
3) Mustang starts at ~26k (just goin' by the site ) And the Camaro MUST come close to that otherwise its a failure from the start.
4) We've been told countless times "not to worry", and to "have faith". All in response to these types of threads, where the content is read. So they know what we're thinking...and we're told not to worry.
5) The G8, an extremely WELL equipped Pontiac sedan with a V8 starts at 29k. Take away "sedan", and "Pontiac" and "well equipped" from the get-go - and you're lookin' at -3000 easy, imo.

I'm not trying to rag on you or nothin' - it was just a perfect opening for me to post this. And lots of people have brought this up before, worrying about an expensive Camaro - so I wanted to address it: Don't worry about pricing. GM's got this!

(of course, you could also be talking about the GT-500 fighter - I don't think you are - in which case this whole post would be moot)

EDIT: I forgot to add that the G8, completely decked-out, just barely tops 33 grand..........

i agree with the pricing. i got the monies (real word), but once again, the sig says it all...

[Jose_The_Great_Cuervo]

Ugh, the way things look I might have to wait to get a USED Camaro Convertible :( I don't think I can afford anything over 27grand.

I hate knowing that I won't be able to "break" my Camaro in and getting it used but oh well. Hopefully I can get one w/ a Gen V engine.

[Emu the Foo]

Originally Posted by Jose_The_Great_Cuervo

Ugh, the way things look I might have to wait to get a USED Camaro Convertible :( I don't think I can afford anything over 27grand.

I hate knowing that I won't be able to "break" my Camaro in and getting it used but oh well. Hopefully I can get one w/ a Gen V engine.

no offense but ifs its used witha gen V that means you will prolly have to wati even longer to get it

[asrapid]

In GM strategy from here
http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-annou...cash-flow.html

major part of the reductions is related to the delay of the next generation large pickup and SUV program, as well as V8 engine development and associated capacity.

Does this affects Gen V engine or ?

[AnEvilPenguin]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

...\1) The LS1, and the LS2 cost about the same to produce. (LS2 is a few hundred more expensive iirc).
2) The LS3 is less expensive to produce than the LS2. (yet you'll find more hp.)
3..........

I was wondering why the ls3 is so cheap to produce? anyone have some info on that?

[AnEvilPenguin]

Originally Posted by Jose_The_Great_Cuervo

Ugh, the way things look I might have to wait to get a USED Camaro Convertible :( I don't think I can afford anything over 27grand.

I hate knowing that I won't be able to "break" my Camaro in and getting it used but oh well. Hopefully I can get one w/ a Gen V engine.

yeah, you can't get too much anymore for 27,000 you are going to have to do some realicating of funds and get it up around 30k range for a V6 and for a V8 you will have to add another 6,000 easy

[AnEvilPenguin]

Originally Posted by asrapid

In GM strategy from here
http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-annou...cash-flow.html

major part of the reductions is related to the delay of the next generation large pickup and SUV program, as well as V8 engine development and associated capacity.

Does this affects Gen V engine or ?

I don't think that will affect the engine development, ALL car makers are always looking for the next best engine, to my eyes they are just delaying the next weight class change and/or general overall change over, but lets face it, the GM truck platforms are among if not the best general purpose utility platforms in the world, so I feel that they don't need to be messing with perfection anytime soon, Ford and Toyota have a long way to catch up, and as for Honda and Nissan, well, they never even stood a chance in the Real truck market

[radz28]

I think this could help bolster development of a Gen V engine. It should be more efficient than the current V8s out there and I imagine an alloy Gen V is going to be close in weight to a twin turbo V6 with an iron block and less complicated. I mean you're going to have to run more plumbing for oil/coolant/intercooler/etc. for a FI engine so why not just make a larger engine more efficient and include AFM?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by AnEvilPenguin

I was wondering why the ls3 is so cheap to produce? anyone have some info on that?

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has a solid reason for that, too....in fact, I'm gonna look into it -- I'll respond with info.

But it's not wrong. I remember a powertrain guy saying that the LS3 is more efficiently manufactured than the LS2. I just for the life of me can't remember where.......

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has a solid reason for that, too....in fact, I'm gonna look into it -- I'll respond with info.

But it's not wrong. I remember a powertrain guy saying that the LS3 is more efficiently manufactured than the LS2. I just for the life of me can't remember where.......

Well, I would imagine its because it isn't as new as the LS2 was. What I mean is that the LS3 has fewer new and unique components than the LS2 had when it came out. So less new stuff=less cost.