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[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by BATMANs

I'm curious what the results would be if it was a blown Mustang with the IRS that should be coming out soon in future Mustangs.

Both cars look like a beast.

I think by that time, the ZL1 will have a blown LS7.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

The Cobra wouldn't have "needed boost" if it weighed less.

2001 Cobra Coupe:3,430 lb, 320HP
2001 Camaro SS: 3,411 lb, 325HP

Not much different in specs but the SS was much faster.

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

It's relative with respect to weight and horsepower. With more weight, more horsepower is needed. With less weight, less horsepower is needed.

I completely agree, I'm not arguing that.

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

You may want to avoid using statement's that employ all encompassing terms such as "everyone," as they tend to be inaccurate.


I've been around the car scene since the 1960s.

However, my point is that a horsepower number alone, in and by itself, doesn't provide all the relevant information in terms of how well a vehicle is going to perform. For example, one can have a vehicle with 1,000 horsepower (seems like a lot), but if the vehicle weighs 15,000 pounds, the vehicle will not perform particularly well, and diesel locomotive can have over 3,000 horsepower, but that doesn't mean that it's going to have a faster 0 to 60 MPH time, than a Chevy Volt will.

The horsepower to weight ratio is a more significant statistic with regard to performance, as opposed to simply horsepower alone. That is a fact, and it seems to me that arguing otherwise really serves no useful purpose.

Once again, I'm not basing my opinions on HP alone. There are other factors other than weight to look at too, Such as suspension, cost and technology. Based on what your telling me a Lotus elise and Z06 should be compared in the same league because the Vette weighs more and has more HP to make up for it. Any other variables shouldn't matter. I could tell you that would be a very one sided competition.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Except that last year most people on Camaro5 were crying because everyone expected the Boss to be the far superior track car. But now that this has been proven a false worry the conversation has changed to the Ford fans rationalizing why the Camaro is actually better.

I thought about digging up all those old post's........

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I believe it's Laguna Seca, as the model is named after the well known racetrack in Salinas, just east of Monterey.

Sorry, all my arguments are now void.

[f ê r]

Originally Posted by radz28

Just because you don't agree doesn't make it truth. Considering the mass of the differential and the rest of the drivetrain components (many of which we still don't know all the technical details of), I'd say they made sure to make ZL1 capable at the strip. Why advertise it like they have for the strip?

^ THIS.

AND like I said before, historically, the ZL1 moniker belongs to the Drag Strip Camaro (am I wrong?). Why GM would put a badge on car it isnt meant to be driven at a Drag Strip?? That it can handle too? Thats a PLUS.

Why GM decided to name this new Camaro as a ZL1 and not a Z28? For me thats the Touring version of the Camaro, the Z28. Natural aspirated, will heat soak much less and is somewhat a lightweight car.

Im really asking cause I really dont know about the badge changes.

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

how conveniently we forget how much crying some of us did when the GT500 was making the SS its boitch. But now its all good because a 136hp advantage is a "fair" comparison. Two roadcourse cars but one has 136hp more, of course it is going to win.

That is called blind bias... lol

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Once again, I'm not basing my opinions on HP alone. There are other factors other than weight to look at too, Such as suspension, cost and technology.

Of course there are other factors involved. My original response was prompted because your seemingly flippant post only referenced horsepower:

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Puppy kicking, the ZL1 has 140 more HP.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Based on what your telling me a Lotus elise and Z06 should be compared in the same league because the Vette weighs more and has more HP to make up for it. Any other variables shouldn't matter.

I don't follow your logic. Who brought "the same league" argument into the discussion? Where was it stated that "any other variables shouldn't matter?"

That's seems to be suggestive of the typical straw man argument that, unfortunately, appears to be used quite frequently in this forum.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Once again, I'm not basing my opinions on HP alone.

Well that's the way you started the conversation.....

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Puppy kicking, the ZL1 has 140 more HP.

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by radz28

Just because you don't agree doesn't make it truth. Considering the mass of the differential and the rest of the drivetrain components (many of which we still don't know all the technical details of), I'd say they made sure to make ZL1 capable at the strip. Why advertise it like they have for the strip?.

Exactly, which is why I am puzzled by so many posts claiming the ZL1 was not made for the strip.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Well that's the way you started the conversation.

It's nice to have the support, Mac!

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Exactly, which is why I am puzzled by so many posts claiming the ZL1 was not made for the strip.

The ZL1 was designed for the track, first and foremost. The fact that is has components that make it capable at the strip doesn't change that fact.

[HumanWiki]

I love lamp

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Exactly, which is why I am puzzled by so many posts claiming the ZL1 was not made for the strip.

I have read many post stating that it was designed for the track but I don't think I have ever read a post stating that it WAS NOT desinged for the strip. It seems the ZL1 is going to be a great all around competitor.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Of course there are other factors involved. My original response was prompted because your seemingly flippant post only referenced horsepower:




I don't follow your logic. Who brought "the same league" argument into the discussion? Where was it stated that "any other variables shouldn't matter?"

That's seems to be suggestive of the typical straw man argument that, unfortunately, appears to be used quite frequently in this forum.

It is puppy kicking. 140HP more is a huge difference. If the ZL1 was cheaper, had less race inspired technology and a worse suspension I could see the HP number not meaning as much. When you have a car that has the advantage all across the board you expect a win, not praise it. The weight us also a big snafu by GM. These 2 cars should not be tested with each other, is that so hard to understand?