BMW M3 vs. Camaro SS?

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Can you give me a link to that article where Porsche accused them of cheating? I remember seeing it on one of the auto sites... I also like how he conveniently ignored my post about the ZR1 against the GT-R.

I ignored it because my post was a direct response to his post. Both my post and his post didn't look at the whole picture. That was sort of the point

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by a_Username

So that's what you're trying to explain to me? A point I've already made?

Either way you look at it, the CTS-V is in the same market segment as the M3, price and car type wise. The CTS-V outperforms the M3 either way you look at it.

And where did I argue otherwise?

[carfansince73]

Originally Posted by a_Username

So that's what you're trying to explain to me? A point I've already made?

Either way you look at it, the CTS-V is in the same market segment as the M3, price and car type wise. The CTS-V outperforms the M3 either way you look at it.

and you with the difference price between it and the M5, you can probably do this and still have cash leftover.

810rwhp CTS-V

Nice job GM on bringing a comparable car to the market for a lot less.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

And where did I argue otherwise?

Comparing a vehicle over $25K more against a CTS-V. It's obviously you don't like anything American, so why are you here?

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by Mosher

No no no! See the GT-R time counts because it was fair and driven by Nissan Engineers! The other lap times on different courses that where not Nissan funded, THOSE are the invalid tests!!!!

You're blowing it out of context. I don't think those tests are completely invalid. I do however think that the tests conducted by engineers, if they are legitimate, are the most important.

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Comparing a vehicle over $25K more against a CTS-V. It's obviously you don't like anything American, so why are you here?

Sorry, what car are we talking about here? The M3 or M5? And this question about why I am here has been asked a million times. Why, does my German fanboism really get under your skin

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Sorry, what car are we talking about here? The M3 or M5? And this question about why I am here has been asked a million times. Why, does my German fanboism really get under your skin

Well we were talking about the M3 until...

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Man I can't wait for the new M5

It doesn't get under my skin. You're just another example that prove being a fanboy is stupid.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

I ignored it because my post was a direct response to his post. Both my post and his post didn't look at the whole picture. That was sort of the point

So you justified the GT-R being a better car around the track, because of "bang for your buck." Price doesn't win races, price wins consumers.

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Well we were talking about the M3 until...


It doesn't get under my skin. You're just another example that prove being a fanboy is stupid.

Yep, I'm stupid because I made a variety of liable arguments as to why we all shouldn't hail the CTS-V just yet, none of which you refuted.

[karr1008]

Man, this thread is entertaining and amusing but going nowhere.
Come on, let's be honest for a second and get to reality and post again. I love the SS but, I have to accept that there are other cars worth more because they deliver more. Simple. Even if it wins by a hair, it still wins. Period.
If you pay more for an item you should expect to get more in return. Granted, there are exceptions out there but, very few times you see a manufacturer claiming more than what it is just because it would be idiotic and fool to do so. Not to mention that their reputation would go down the drain. Now, before you go further into more posts, here is a Cadillac quote I like... "When you start your car (something like that) ...does it return the favor" I bet that the new CTS-V would.
Anyways, back to the M3 vs SS topic.

[returnofcc]

Originally Posted by a_Username

So you justified the GT-R being a better car around the track, because of "bang for your buck." Price doesn't win races, price wins consumers.

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'd hope to god to outperforms the CTS-V when it is priced $25K over it's competition. Wouldn't the M3 be a Midsize high end sports car? Again BMW just effectively priced itself out of comparison.

I'm sorry, you are confusing me with this flip flop. So, price does or doesn't matter?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Yep, I'm stupid because I made a variety of liable arguments as to why we all shouldn't hail the CTS-V just yet, none of which you refuted.

I refuted every single one of them. You just gave up on comparing two vehicles in the same price, market segment (CTS-V vs. M3), and you decided to just throw a dramatically more expensive vehicle into the comparison. Your argument was that the M5 was going to be better, and which I said it should be considering the $25K price difference. However, until the new M5 is released, the current CTS-V is a lot better value and performer than the current M5.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by returnofcc

Yep, I'm stupid because I made a variety of liable arguments as to why we all shouldn't hail the CTS-V just yet, none of which you refuted.

"Liable" means responsible for, or association under the law...I believe the term you were searching for was "valid"...

[returnofcc]

Ok, it is officially 11:05PM, I retire from this thread. Feel free to leave any more constructive and entertaining posts, it's been fun, but cya!