2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by kellyjns20

I dont think the ZL1 can be compared to the GT500 from a car perspective. The GT500 will beat it badly on a drag strip with the same drivers. And the ZL1 barely edged the Boss out on a road course. I just dont see this being a great comparison.

That's strange...Motor Trend tested the GT500 against an LS3 SS Camaro and the Shelby just "barely edged" the SS in the 1/4 12.8 to 12.9. MTs video is on YouTube.

[eolson]

I lean both ways at times on this. I want to believe after re-thinking the platform and creating the Boss 302 LS, that SVT has really tried to solve every under performing aspect of the GT500, as I believe GM did with the ZL1 for the Camaro.

Being so close to the new Mustang platform re-design, I really hope the SVT team went all out and as far as possible to enable this GT500 to reach the platforms full potential on the road course. To me, ultimate endurance is important, but it's really the back to back performance aspects when compared directly to all other high performance cars, especially european ones. I love seeing American Muscle cars and sports cars truly going toe to toe and beating european cars.

12 years ago I would have never believed this moment was hear. Erik

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by kellyjns20

I dont think the ZL1 can be compared to the GT500 from a car perspective. The GT500 will beat it badly on a drag strip with the same drivers. And the ZL1 barely edged the Boss out on a road course. I just dont see this being a great comparison.

Well we will find out whether or not it can soon, as from what I have read they are beginning to ship.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

That's strange...Motor Trend tested the GT500 against an LS3 SS Camaro and the Shelby just "barely edged" the SS in the 1/4 12.8 to 12.9. MTs video is on YouTube.

SImply put, they couldn't drive or were purposely fudging it. That was also a 10 and remember for 11 they got more HP, better suspension, and less weight, srttech that posts here ran his 12 to something 12.018 stock on stock tires. Face it, power to weight the 11-12 GT500 and ZL1 are basically running the same power to weight ratio. Dude, stop already PLEASE!

[2012 IngotSilver 5.0]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I'm pretty sure thats the record holder for a stock weight, bone stock GT500 on a tire so dont let this fool anyone that they are all doing it with "Here is one". I think but could be wrong that the closest one to this guy is at 11.3 and after him its mid 11's. I do believe full bolt on GT's are getting to the low 11's same as stock GT500 with a tire.

It's not just the slicks, the GT 500 in the vid also has skinnies up front as well!

Maybe it's because I'm no longer in my 20's, but I have very little interest in what modded cars runs. The simple reason being that ANY car can be made to run ANY speed ... depending on how deep one's pockets are.

That's why I'm only interested in what 100% bone stock "as delivered to the dealer" cars run. Seeing how most owners will never use slicks, never powershift, never tune their car, etc., journals like C&D gives me the info that I want.

And they ran 12.4 with an 11 GT500, 12.7 in a 10 GT 500:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t500-road-test

Now those are REAL world numbers.

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I went to dragtimes where you can browse and compare and found about 10 supposedly bone stock GT500s posted and the fastest was 12.2 at 115 and the slowest was 12.98 at 112. The 12.2 posted a 1.81 60 foot time which makes me suspect drag radials...sme people would consider it stock with DRs. Just sayin, the average guy doesn't run 10s in a GT500...at least not bone stock. The 12.2 was run by a professional drag racer from Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords....Evan Smith and is probably not representative of what the average GT500 driver could run.

I guess I need to get a job driving at the track or something. because my 3rd run in my GT500 was a 12.0 @ 118. That was with the stock tires an stock from the factory. No mods at all. Plus, it was in 90 degree heat in Florida...

Oh, and Evan Smith ran a 12.0 @ 118 as well. Not a 12.2......

If you havent figured it out by now, im not brand loyal and could care less if its a Dodge, Ford or Chevy. So I dont want to hear that im a Ford fanboiiiiieeeee or some crap like that.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

Really ??? Is there a Fast List or something comparable that shows these times ?

I've raced quite a few of these on the track and have never seen one get remotely close to even mid 11's on drag radials.

svtperformance has one.

you must be at high altitude, or not be a decent driver. i know countless 2010+ owners who get near 10's with tires their first tries.


maybe the next time you try it, you should use et streets, skinnies, lower the air pressure, do a long burn out and follow common sense launching.


not attacking, just sayin.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I went to dragtimes where you can browse and compare and found about 10 supposedly bone stock GT500s posted and the fastest was 12.2 at 115 and the slowest was 12.98 at 112. The 12.2 posted a 1.81 60 foot time which makes me suspect drag radials...sme people would consider it stock with DRs. Just sayin, the average guy doesn't run 10s in a GT500...at least not bone stock. The 12.2 was run by a professional drag racer from Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords....Evan Smith and is probably not representative of what the average GT500 driver could run.

drag times hardly has a good list of times.


http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...mile-list.html

this list has a few. but actually seeing them run it is different. i suggest going to the nmra event this fall. you'll see plenty of stock to stockish gt500's runnning low 11's with tires.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

I guess I need to get a job driving at the track or something. because my 3rd run in my GT500 was a 12.0 @ 118. That was with the stock tires an stock from the factory. No mods at all. Plus, it was in 90 degree heat in Florida...

Oh, and Evan Smith ran a 12.0 @ 118 as well. Not a 12.2......

The fact that you put down that number on your 3rd pass tells me that you know how to drive a car ,(can you come make a few passes in my car for me) , you also put down a hell of pass with the 392. Great job!

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

I didn't say that, in fact I don't how they could screw that aspect of the fight up. What I have come to realize, after studying high performance cars, is that both the ZL1 and the Shelby have more power than they can use. Both cars will have hero runs, but their performance numbers overall will not be consistent or repeatable. After the smoke clears, Fords most complete car will still be the Boss 302 Laguna Seca.

Which is why I'd consider the '13 Boss LS over the GT500 personally.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by The Shadoww

I'm longing for the ZL1 to go head to head with the '13GT500. The 500 is a beast of a car but i still think the ZL1 will handle business as usual.
I also want to know which one will be the easiest to mod!

Easier to mod? Mustang. Easier to drive? Camaro. Now don't get me wrong, I love the Mustang but comparing my own Boss ownership experience to previous BMW's I can say factually my Mustang is the faster, better handling car BUT to prove that I have to take a bigger leap of confidence when driving than I did in the Bimmers. No doubt the GT500 will put down impressive numbers at it's official debut but it will take very skilled drivers to get near those numbers in the real world whereas I think your average Camaro jockey will get quite close to their targets. So maybe I believe the Camaro to be the better car whether it is faster or not. But I'd still want the Mustang. Why? If my Boss is any indication it will be bleeding insane and more fun to drive than you can imagine.

[LOWDOWN]

As I see it, this "competition" will come to a more "balanced" conclusion when the next-Gen versions of BOTH cars arrive. With CAFE '16 looming, lumping 150+ lb. (blower/intercooler/supporting "hardware") on the noses of their smaller-lighter replacements will make less sense. Naturally aspirated engines (or smaller-lighter engines with engine-weight-conscious boost), with weight distribution closer to 50/50 and therefore more of an emphasis on a "balanced" driving experience, is where the Market AND Manufacturers should/will be headed. And, with those better-balanced chassis, performance based on weight-to-power will be even better...in ALL disciplines...as will be the required mpg.

What's being built now, ZL1 vs. GT500, will become as archaic as Street Hemi GTXs vs. Super Cobra Jet Torinos vs. SS 454 Chevelles...imvho...and, likely, just as "beatable"...STOCK for STOCK for STOCK.

And THAT is a circumstance I personally look forward to...after all, if GM can build a 3900 lb. Commodore into a ZL1 (figuratively), just imagine what should happen with a 3500 lb. Alpha with near-50/50, 500hp Camaro with "MRC-4"...that gets 30 mpg, hiway...!!!

ZL1 vs. GT500? Last of a breed...get 'em while you can. But be ready to "pass the crown"!

[vertcobra99]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I went to dragtimes where you can browse and compare and found about 10 supposedly bone stock GT500s posted and the fastest was 12.2 at 115 and the slowest was 12.98 at 112. The 12.2 posted a 1.81 60 foot time which makes me suspect drag radials...sme people would consider it stock with DRs. Just sayin, the average guy doesn't run 10s in a GT500...at least not bone stock. The 12.2 was run by a professional drag racer from Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords....Evan Smith and is probably not representative of what the average GT500 driver could run.

Wait a second... you guys are questioning the 1.81 60 foot time by a GT500 on street tires. Yet you think the 1.6x 60 foot time cut in the 11 second run done by GM in the ZL1 was for sure accomplished on the stock G2's? You guys crack me up.

[ffrcobra_65]

Hmmmm is ParisT also Lowdown? Arguments sound similar.